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two teams trying to nab Scuderi, Sydor, and a pick

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07-05-2008, 07:04 PM
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two teams trying to nab Scuderi, Sydor, and a pick

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this site has been surprisingly reliable in the info it has provided thus far this off season.

Supposedly this would be possibly to make room for Bertuzzi, although with the Pens having 11 guys that could possibly play in the top 9, I don't see why the Pens would do the move unless they've got another defenseman coming back the other way, because Scuderi and Sydor are pretty good for 7/8 defensemen, and I don't think Lannon, Engellend, or Goligoski should be the numer 7 guy.

I guess if they wanted they could have the top 7 be

Gonchar-Orpik
Whitney-Letang
Gill-Goligoski
Eaton

But penciling Goligoski in might not be a great idea.

Anyway, teams who've been mentioned to have interest in these guys: Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and Chicago. But for Chicago, they'd have to dump salary on the Pens or elsewhere to get Sydor and Scuderi, and none of Havlat/Lang/Khabby would fit in Pittsburgh.

I can't think of any deals that would make a lot of sense for the Pens. Sydor by himself isn't very valuable, but a pick and Scuderi does make a valuable package.

What do you think would be fair for them?

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Fair would be the Sydor, Scuderi and a pick for a lower pick.. this is a salary dump..

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you know, interesting thing about Scuderi, with all the hype that went along with Brooks Orpik and his intergalactic shift, i personally felt that Rob did a quietly terrific job in the playoffs.

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you know, interesting thing about Scuderi, with all the hype that went along with Brooks Orpik and his intergalactic shift, i personally felt that Rob did a quietly terrific job in the playoffs.
Woah I thought he was absolutely terrible and caused numerous goals as a direct result of his play.. To each his own I guess..

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Fair would be the Sydor, Scuderi and a pick for a lower pick.. this is a salary dump..
Yeah, but Scuderi is beyond being a rock on defense. If he's included it should make up for Sydor.

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Woah I thought he was absolutely terrible and caused numerous goals as a direct result of his play.. To each his own I guess..

he ended as a plus player and was officially credited with 7 giveaways in 20 playoff games. 3 of which came against Detroit, the only time he was a minus for a series... and they got shutout twice.

the Red Wings have a habit of doing that.

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Why does Pittsburgh need to dump Scuderi? He's making $725K. Wouldn't dropping Sydor's $2.5M be enough to sign Bertuzzi?

On another note, I don't see this happening. I'm not putting down the source, I'm sure there's interest, but I don't think we'll see Bertuzzi in a Pens jersey when they just signed Satan, Fedotenko, and now Matt Cooke.

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It's not so much a matter of Pittsburgh wanting to dump Sydor as it is the other team wanting Scuderi.

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How about to Tampa, they need some veteran D and seem to have wood for Penguin players.

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It's a package deal, if you want Scuderi, who's a very solid pk guy, stay at home defenseman, not making much at all, than you have to take Sydor. Why would someone do it? They might not, but also remember Finger got 3.5 million, Scuderi's probably just as good and you could have him + Sydor for a combined 3.2 million.

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Why does Pittsburgh need to dump Scuderi? He's making $725K. Wouldn't dropping Sydor's $2.5M be enough to sign Bertuzzi?

On another note, I don't see this happening. I'm not putting down the source, I'm sure there's interest, but I don't think we'll see Bertuzzi in a Pens jersey when they just signed Satan, Fedotenko, and now Matt Cooke.
The idea is that nobody would take Sydor by himself, so you put Scuderi and a pick in to make the package look better.

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The idea is that nobody would take Sydor by himself, so you put Scuderi and a pick in to make the package look better.
Scuderi's looks are not his strength obviously. I don't think it's possible he can make anything look better, so that draft pick better look real damn good.

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I don't see why the Pens would add Scuderi to dump Sydor when they could just bury him in the minors.

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Hmm. Unless its a team that really needs to reach the cap floor, I dont see the point of this. Why not just keep your assets and sign Smith if they're only looking for a #6 PK specialist. You get added shot-blocking, grit, and leadership to boot.

Then again, maybe Pittsburgh is looking to sign Smith as a Scuderi/Sydor/Roberts replacement..

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Hmm. Unless its a team that really needs to reach the cap floor, I dont see the point of this. Why not just keep your assets and sign Smith if they're only looking for a #6 PK specialist. You get added shot-blocking, grit, and leadership to boot.
Yeah, but do any of those guys want to come play for a team that's at the cap floor?

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Then again, maybe Pittsburgh is looking to sign Smith as a Scuderi/Sydor/Roberts replacement..
Doubtful... Let's just say Sid and Jason have had some incidents.

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Yeah, but do any of those guys want to come play for a team that's at the cap floor?



Doubtful... Let's just say Sid and Jason have had some incidents.
A Dman like Scuderi likely isnt going to have the pick of the litter..

Dallas Drake got suspended for an ugly hit on Brett Lebda a few months before the Red Wings signed him. And dont even get me started on Chris Chelios pre-Wings..

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A Dman like Scuderi likely isnt going to have the pick of the litter..
Scuderi's not the ufa, Jason Smith is. My point is, why would a vet like Smith want to go to a team that's at the cap floor instead of a contender? If guys like that won't than a trade for Scuderi makes some sense.

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Dallas Drake got suspended for an ugly hit on Brett Lebda a few months before the Red Wings signed him. And dont even get me started on Chris Chelios pre-Wings..
Brett Lebda ain't Sid!

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I don't think teams inquire about packages like that...they inquire about certain players. I seriously doubt any GM's are calling Shero asking, "Hey what do you want for Scuderi, Sydor, and a draft pick?"

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I'd hate to see Scuds go, he's a good shot blocker and he's money on 5 on 3s. Scuderi will come in handy when Eaton gets hurt again.

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also should be noted that sydor has a NTC, so that could potentially screw any deals up. though he'd probably be pretty open to waiving it given that he was benched for basically the entire playoff run and he's now basically the eighth d-man on the roster right now.

i would think that the pens' ownership -- already willing to take on losses until the new arena opens in order to spend to the cap -- would prefer not to have to eat that extra $2.5mil by having to matvichuk the guy.

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Hmm. Unless its a team that really needs to reach the cap floor, I dont see the point of this. Why not just keep your assets and sign Smith if they're only looking for a #6 PK specialist. You get added shot-blocking, grit, and leadership to boot.

Then again, maybe Pittsburgh is looking to sign Smith as a Scuderi/Sydor/Roberts replacement..
They really don't have room for anymore defensemen, I like Smith, but I don't know where they'd put him. Scuderi is a pretty decent #6 in his own right and he's cheap to boot, he gets a lot of PK time, specifically 5 on 3s. The Pens only gave up one 5 on 3 goal all season.

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I don't think teams inquire about packages like that...they inquire about certain players. I seriously doubt any GM's are calling Shero asking, "Hey what do you want for Scuderi, Sydor, and a draft pick?"
Well Shero could be shopping Sydor, and a team could say "hey, how about X for Sydor, Scuderi, and a 3rd?"

Smith is a warrior and a shot blocking machine, and I'm sure Crosby could get over any dispute the guys have had over Smith's dirty plays, but I still don't think this makes a huge amount of sense.

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That baby also won the Hart, Art Ross and Pearson trophies at the age of 19. If he's a baby, Lebda must be a writhing maggot.

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I think every single member of the Pens, starting with the captain, would welcome Jason Smith with open arms.

He'd be a solid addition.

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