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07-06-2008, 07:56 PM
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Brule needs to get his game straightened out on the minors before he's seen as a career plugger in the Liam Reddox mold.
Agreed. I really hope Schremp shows up in top shape, makes the team and rips it up this season.

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I agree.

I also can't see the logic in signing Jason Williams.
Un-less it's to center the 3rd scoring line, it makes little sense to me as well.

LW
Cole
Penner
Nilsson
Moreau
Schremp
Potulny

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Pisani
Stortini
Pouliot
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Pouliot

Williams can play LW or Center. Where does he fit??? IMO the only way that we sign him is if we let Pouliot or Stortini walk.

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07-06-2008, 07:59 PM
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I just noticed something very odd about Liam Reddox. He put up far better numbers playing in Springfield last year, than he did playing in Stockton the year before.

Stockton Thunder (2006-07) 70gp: 8g-18a-26pts
Springfield Falcons (2007-08) 65gp: 16g-28a-44pts

He is on quite the upwards trajectory. At this pace, he should score 32 goals, and get ~80 points in the NHL this year.

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07-06-2008, 08:01 PM
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I just noticed something very odd about Liam Reddox. He put up far better numbers playing in Springfield last year, than he did playing in Stockton the year before.

Stockton Thunder (2006-07) 70gp: 8g-18a-26pts
Springfield Falcons (2007-08) 65gp: 16g-28a-44pts

He is on quite the upwards trajectory. At this pace, he should score 32 goals, and get ~80 points in the NHL this year.
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I just noticed something very odd about Liam Reddox. He put up far better numbers playing in Springfield last year, than he did playing in Stockton the year before.

Stockton Thunder (2006-07) 70gp: 8g-18a-26pts
Springfield Falcons (2007-08) 65gp: 16g-28a-44pts

He is on quite the upwards trajectory. At this pace, he should score 32 goals, and get ~80 points in the NHL this year.
I just think he came more committed and figured out the kind of role he needs to play to be a good pro.

By the way if I recall BBO's reports he really tailed off down the stretch after coming back from an injury. I think next year will be all about him showing it was no fluke and really establishing himself as a presence at the AHL level. If he does that then I think the NHL starts to at least appear as a distant blip on his radar.

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I just noticed something very odd about Liam Reddox. He put up far better numbers playing in Springfield last year, than he did playing in Stockton the year before.

Stockton Thunder (2006-07) 70gp: 8g-18a-26pts
Springfield Falcons (2007-08) 65gp: 16g-28a-44pts

He is on quite the upwards trajectory. At this pace, he should score 32 goals, and get ~80 points in the NHL this year.
Considering what he did in his last year in the OHL and in Stockton, he REALLY turned his game up last year. However I expect him to level out somewhat as a 2nd line AHLer this year.

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Williams would be a great addition to our bottom-6...looks like a good vet that play against tough opposition

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I say "pass," primarily because forwards named Jason never pan out well on this team.

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Platt's a D-man. But if you want, you can add Soules to that list.

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Williams would be a great addition to our bottom-6...looks like a good vet that play against tough opposition
According to most of the posters in the thread in the Rumours board, he's really not very good at handling defensive responsibility at all. He's really an offensive specialist who can play the point on the powerplay, albeit not as well as somebody like Stoll (inconsistent according to them). I'd still take him, but it would definitely be for the top six if anywhere.

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According to most of the posters in the thread in the Rumours board, he's really not very good at handling defensive responsibility at all. He's really an offensive specialist who can play the point on the powerplay, albeit not as well as somebody like Stoll (inconsistent according to them). I'd still take him, but it would definitely be for the top six if anywhere.
Even if he's not very good defensively in his own end, if he's keeping the puck out of his end and in the offensive end it's pretty tough to give up a goal against.

There's a bunch of ways to be effective.

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07-06-2008, 09:18 PM
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Even if he's not very good defensively in his own end, if he's keeping the puck out of his end and in the offensive end it's pretty tough to give up a goal against.

There's a bunch of ways to be effective.
Fair enough, but is he the guy you're going to want to send out there against the Iginla's and Thornton's of the NHL? He won't have the puck all that often if he's playing against the other team's top line, which is why I think that he's probably a better fit on the second line, where he can get some softer minutes. From all reports, he doesn't sound like a guy that can handle tough minutes.

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07-06-2008, 09:21 PM
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Even if he's not very good defensively in his own end, if he's keeping the puck out of his end and in the offensive end it's pretty tough to give up a goal against.

There's a bunch of ways to be effective.
One thing that I must say is that for a guy that handles the puck as much as Schremp does, he doesn't cough it up much and he's good at placing dump-ins where his guy has the best chance of retrieving the puck. because of this, IMO he can do well despite not being anything special in his own end.

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Fair enough, but is he the guy you're going to want to send out there against the Iginla's and Thornton's of the NHL? He won't have the puck all that often if he's playing against the other team's top line, which is why I think that he's probably a better fit on the second line, where he can get some softer minutes. From all reports, he doesn't sound like a guy that can handle tough minutes.
Except that he's handled them well in the past.

The Oilers can still rely on Horcoff to perform that role. He's done it and done it well the past several years. Either way, if you can get this guy at a good rate, he'll be an asset to the hockey team.

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Except that he's handled them well in the past.

The Oilers can still rely on Horcoff to perform that role. He's done it and done it well the past several years. Either way, if you can get this guy at a good rate, he'll be an asset to the hockey team.
Oh, I completely agree that he would be a good addition to the team. I was just going off of other posters' reports on him not being a player you want playing tough minutes. What I was saying in my last post is that it's great if he can keep the puck in the offensive end, but if we're expecting that to keep top lines in check, then it's probably not the best way to go.

If he actually has played tough competition in the past, then I'm definitely wrong. I'm guessing you're going off one of those quality of competition charts?

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07-06-2008, 09:59 PM
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just play the Moreau-Brodziak-Pisani line against all other teams top lines and if they get worn out, match them up with the Oilers top line.

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just play the Moreau-Brodziak-Pisani line against all other teams top lines and if they get worn out, match them up with the Oilers top line.
Yes, that's exactly what would happen if Williams came here. Which is why Williams really wouldn't be called upon to play tough minutes anyhow. But if he's capable of doing it, all the better.

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According to most of the posters in the thread in the Rumours board, he's really not very good at handling defensive responsibility at all. He's really an offensive specialist who can play the point on the powerplay, albeit not as well as somebody like Stoll (inconsistent according to them). I'd still take him, but it would definitely be for the top six if anywhere.
He played the fourth topughest minutes amongst forwards on the 'Hawks and the team still had more GF than GA when he was on the ice. Cole-Horcoff-Hemmer can go power versus power, while Penner-Williams-Pisani can play the middle minutes while the kids play the soft parade with Moreau-Brodz and Sorts filling in as needed.

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Oh, I completely agree that he would be a good addition to the team. I was just going off of other posters' reports on him not being a player you want playing tough minutes. What I was saying in my last post is that it's great if he can keep the puck in the offensive end, but if we're expecting that to keep top lines in check, then it's probably not the best way to go.

If he actually has played tough competition in the past, then I'm definitely wrong. I'm guessing you're going off one of those quality of competition charts?
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He played the fourth topughest minutes amongst forwards on the 'Hawks and the team still had more GF than GA when he was on the ice. Cole-Horcoff-Hemmer can go power versus power, while Penner-Williams-Pisani can play the middle minutes while the kids play the soft parade with Moreau-Brodz and Sorts filling in as needed.
Williams makes the Oilers better and gives MacT many more options. What else does anyone need to know?

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Please lets hope no other team offers him any money and he signs here for 3M or so.

PLEASE GOD MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I WILL SACRIFICE CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Are you guys assured that this dude who posted on the site is actually credible. and not whack like Eklund and the guy off TFP?

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Williams makes the Oilers better and gives MacT many more options. What else does anyone need to know?
1. How much is he coming here for, not a penny more then 3 Mil hopefully.
2. Is he going to get richer offers from other clubs?
3. Will he be okay with playing in Edmonton
4. What kind of Car does he own?
5. Whats his favorite color
6. What is his favorite Dessert?
7. Is he more awesomer then me?

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1. How much is he coming here for, not a penny more then 3 Mil hopefully.
2. Is he going to get richer offers from other clubs?
3. Will he be okay with playing in Edmonton
4. What kind of Car does he own?
5. Whats his favorite color
6. What is his favorite Dessert?
7. Is he more awesomer then me?
Dunno
Dunno
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Dunno
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How much did they offer? Any guesses?
If they even offered anything I would say 2 years and 2.5M max.

I don't really have a problem with making the team better in the short term. Williams is better than Schremp, Brule, Potulny or Pouliot.

The problem is opportunity cost. They tried to sign Laraque to address toughness and now they look at Williams who is basically a pp specialist and not gritty at all?

Maybe it makes a bit of sense if they swing Pouliot for a tough guy in a trade?

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