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02-18-2004, 12:50 PM
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Is Bondra the answer for Ottawa??

I thought this team needed toughness/goaltending....not another sniper??

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I thought this team needed toughness/goaltending....not another sniper??

Your thoughts?
The answer my friend is blowing in the wind sometime around the middle of June.

If they win the cup, it's an easy yes.

If they don't, then we know the answer was not Bondra.

However, the trade deadline is still out there. There could be more moves to make.

And yes, in a Sens fan's perfect world the magical gritty/scoring LW will walk through the dressing room door in a Sens jersey.

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Is scoring the problem in Ottawa? It doesn't appear to be. The Bondra deal doesn't address the same two problems the Senators have had for the past few seasons: team toughness, and ace goaltending.


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Well see what happens in the playoffs. Last year, the Ottawa "young guns" were suppose to beat NJ and their "old guys" on defense. Instead, NJ pwns Ottawa's "young guns", out scores them in the series and goes on to win the cup. If you think playoff games are going to be shootouts, think again.

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I like the trade a lot, since it emphasizes the Sens' strenghts instead of trying to shore up their weaknesses.

Are the Sens ever going to get the best goaltending in the league? No. Are they ever going to be the toughest team in the league? Not a chance.

But with this trade they become the undisputed offensive stars of the NHL, Colorado notwithstanding. The Sens' hope to win the Cup, if they have one, rests with their ability to pelt the other team with laser shots from anywhere on the ice, line after line after line.

Good move by Mucks.

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The Sens' hope to win the Cup, if they have one, rests with their ability to pelt the other team with laser shots from anywhere on the ice, line after line after line
That's great if they are able to do that. However, it's not going to do the Sens any good when the other team is doing the exact same thing to Lalime.

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I thought this team needed toughness/goaltending....not another sniper??

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The two best trades to make are 1 to address your greatest weakness and 2 two add to your greatest strength.

This looks like a classic case of the second type. How many teams can handle hossa, alfredsson, havlat and bondra. The way Ottawa plays at least one of these guy's is going to be on the ice at all times, sooner or later one of these guy's is going to be lining up against a teams 3rd or 4th liners and do some serious damage.

I like the trade but I'm not handing anyone the cup yet.

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So who plays RW on the 4th line?

Bondra
Hosa
Alfredsson
Havlat

I don't think the deal was needed but the Sens didn't give up much.

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That's great if they are able to do that. However, it's not going to do the Sens any good when the other team is doing the exact same thing to Lalime.
atleast we dont' have to worry about the Flyers doing that History dictates well

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So who plays RW on the 4th line?

Bondra
Hosa
Alfredsson
Havlat

I don't think the deal was needed but the Sens didn't give up much.
Bondra will be playing LW

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atleast we dont' have to worry about the Flyers doing that. History dictates well
That it does. It will be nice to see the Devils or maybe the Bolts take you guys out.


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That's great if they are able to do that. However, it's not going to do the Sens any good when the other team is doing the exact same thing to Lalime.
Dee-fense! Dee-fense!

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How good is this Brooks Laich kid? Whats the general feeling on his upside?
You might be able to find some information on this little-known website.

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I thought this team needed toughness/goaltending....not another sniper??

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Ottawa is tough enough. Anyone who says otherwise has either not seen this team play in the last 2 years, or simply reads what ever other ignorant hockey fan says about the Senators. The only team that Ottawa seems to get "intimidated" by is the Leafs and they're the dirtiest team in hockey (contrary to what their coach believes) who like to goon it up at the drop of a hat. If Tie Domi=toughness, give me Peter Bondra.

Goaltending? Name one goalie who can be had, for a reasonable price, with commendable playoff experience, and won't cost the Sens megabucks in guaranteed money that is better than Lalime. There are NONE. Lalime has also been very good in the playoffs for those who have a short memory. Actually, here's an interesting stat; playoff series victories over the past 2 years using only goalies from contending teams OR goalies who are on the market.

Brodeur 4
Lalime 3
Clouthier 1
Khabibulin 1
Aebischer 0
Burke 0
Belfour 0
Kolzig 0
Osgood 0
Raycroft 0
etc...

OK, so it's a stupid comparison but Lalime's not the goat everyone thinks he's going to be. There's just nothing else out there that's better, that's all...

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I thought this team needed toughness/goaltending....not another sniper??

Your thoughts?

Maybe but the tough guys who can play hockey aren't available for Laich and a second round pick. Ottawa couln'd pass on that one. I can't beleive this is the best offer the Caps got.

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So who plays RW on the 4th line?

Bondra
Hosa
Alfredsson
Havlat

I don't think the deal was needed but the Sens didn't give up much.
No no do your homework. Bondra plays LW and RW. There is no difference for him.

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Well see what happens in the playoffs. Last year, the Ottawa "young guns" were suppose to beat NJ and their "old guys" on defense. Instead, NJ pwns Ottawa's "young guns", out scores them in the series and goes on to win the cup. If you think playoff games are going to be shootouts, think again.
That's exactly why acquiring Bondra would pay big dividends in a playoffs series. Ottawa did not lose last year because of a lack of grit...it was a lack of scoring that was their downfall. NJ stifled the ottawa forwards and limited their scoring chances. Adding Bondra for the second PP unit with Spezza will not only be downright scary to other teams but that's just downright illegal.

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The grit thing is and always will be blown out of proportion. This team was plenty gritty enough to win the cup last year and nothing has changed (they were 1 goal away from the cup, dam if they only had more grit). The addition of Simpson and Ray (for about 4 games) helps and the probable Varada, Fisher, and Volchenkov for the playoffs definately qualify this team as gritty enough.

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Bondra should be work out well as long as he scores more goals than Lalime lets in.

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In 18 games, Ottawa was shutout 4 times in last year's playoffs. They averaged only 1.86 goals per game against New Jersey. Their power play was only 14.5% effective, and 2 for 28 against New Jersey.

But I guess they had enough scoring, right? Bondra is redundant?

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I really like the Bondra trade and i'm sure that this isnt the last move Muckler is going to make before the trade deadline.

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Ottawa is tough enough. Anyone who says otherwise has either not seen this team play in the last 2 years, or simply reads what ever other ignorant hockey fan says about the Senators. The only team that Ottawa seems to get "intimidated" by is the Leafs and they're the dirtiest team in hockey (contrary to what their coach believes) who like to goon it up at the drop of a hat. If Tie Domi=toughness, give me Peter Bondra.

Goaltending? Name one goalie who can be had, for a reasonable price, with commendable playoff experience, and won't cost the Sens megabucks in guaranteed money that is better than Lalime. There are NONE. Lalime has also been very good in the playoffs for those who have a short memory. Actually, here's an interesting stat; playoff series victories over the past 2 years using only goalies from contending teams OR goalies who are on the market.

Brodeur 4
Lalime 3
Clouthier 1
Khabibulin 1
Aebischer 0
Burke 0
Belfour 0
Kolzig 0
Osgood 0
Raycroft 0
etc...

OK, so it's a stupid comparison but Lalime's not the goat everyone thinks he's going to be. There's just nothing else out there that's better, that's all...
Great post. I agree 100%

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Bondra scores most of his goals on the power play from the point. The Sens have an amazing PP pointman in Alfredsson on one unit, and Chara or Redden on the other. In my opinion, this doesn't improve their strenghts, or shore up their weeknesses.

Plus they give up a good gritty prospect like Laich, i think this will probably end up a mistake on the Sens part...but we'll see

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