I'm glad Gainey doesn't sign players to offer sheets. It makes you a marked man among GMs
Yup and it's exactly what I said last week when someone suggested giving an offer sheet to Fillipula.
You do this kinda move when you are desperate and your prospect cupboard is empty. Otherwise, it comes to bite you in the arse. A couple more offersheet and soon it will become an all out war on young players.
no chit, they paid a second and a third i believe for bernier. To lose him to st.louis and only get a second in return? nope. St.ouis knew they would match, just did it for paybacks. I see this move being tested here and there but it won't be the new thing every GM will have to do. Gm's like Gainey will probably never do it.
From a Habs perspective, this is great. I had Bernier pegged for 1-1.5 M, now he'll cost 2.5 M if the Canucks match (which they will).
That's a huge 1-1.5 M more, especially if Demitra is really signing with the Canucks for 4M per. By my count, this means the Sundin offer basically has to be reduced by at least 500 K per year, if not a full 1 M, unless Vancouver wants to have a team that has zero wiggle room under the cap this season.
Knowing the amount of cash thrown at Sundin, Gillis strikes me a GM that does not care for wiggle room. That guy looks dead serious when it comes to blowing serious money on a player, whether their cap space permits it or not.
On the St. Louis side of things; way to go. It's a great move for them and it sends a message to the league.
no chit, they paid a second and a third i believe for bernier. To lose him to st.louis and only get a second in return? nope. St.ouis knew they would match, just did it for paybacks. I see this move being tested here and there but it won't be the new thing every GM will have to do. Gm's like Gainey will probably never do it.
That's exactly it. St. Louis knew that Vancouver wouldn't let him leave for a 2nd round pick knowing full well they had just paid a 2nd and a 3rd to get him so they just did it for retribution.
Although this could start putting salaries out of whack when it comes time for arbitration.. I guess we'll see how the league and/or teams fix it.
Gillis identified a player who he thought he should target, that's his evaluation, IIRC, Gillis a former agent, so maybe he has some type knowledge that makes Backes interesting to him...
He signed him to an offer sheet, he's allowed...but what's the point in JD signing Bernier to an offer sheet when it's not a move to try an improve their hockey team, it's a move intended to drive up the price of a player (Bernier) because he went after one of his (Backes)...that's so bush league
We'll see how funny this is next year, if/when Latendresse puts up another 15-20 goals in the coming year and his agent starts asking for 2.5M +...
Like I said...it was bush league
RFA offer sheets are a part of the game, if a GM can't come to an agreement with a player in the allotted time, then his player becomes a target, that's how it is...but doing it for spite? They're all shooting themselves in the foot
Gillis identified a player who he thought he should target, that's his evaluation, IIRC, Gillis a former agent, so maybe he has some type knowledge that makes Backes interesting to him...
He signed him to an offer sheet, he's allowed...but what's the point in JD signing Bernier to an offer sheet when it's not a move to try an improve their hockey team, it's a move intended to drive up the price of a player (Bernier) because he went after one of his (Backes)...that's so bush league
We'll see how funny this is next year, if/when Latendresse puts up another 15-20 goals in the coming year and his agent starts asking for 2.5M +...
Like I said...it was bush league
RFA offer sheets are a part of the game, if a GM can't come to an agreement with a player in the allotted time, then his player becomes a target, that's how it is...but doing it for spite? They're all shooting themselves in the foot
Just curious... are you saying that signing Steve Bernier wouldn't improve the St. Louis Blues? I fail to see how he wouldn't...
Just curious... are you saying that signing Steve Bernier wouldn't improve the St. Louis Blues? I fail to see how he wouldn't...
Not at all...I wasn't even thinking that far, and I dont think John Davidson was thinking that far either, IMO, it was done in pure retaliation for Gillis going after Backes
Really, Davidson wasn't interested in Bernier, he just wanted to drive his price up with an offer that wasn't too high that the Canucks would decline to match, but was high enough that the Canucks would match.
And that's what I have a problem with...ifDavidson didn't like Gillis going after Backes, then go complain to Bettman, don't go tendering an offer sheet out of spite..
Not at all...I wasn't even thinking that far, and I dont think John Davidson was thinking that far either, IMO, it was done in pure retaliation for Gillis going after Backes
Really, Davidson wasn't interested in Bernier, he just wanted to drive his price up with an offer that wasn't too high that the Canucks would decline to match, but was high enough that the Canucks would match.
And that's what I have a problem with...ifDavidson didn't like Gillis going after Backes, then go complain to Bettman, don't go tendering an offer sheet out of spite..
Pure speculation on your part - you say the Canucks identified Backes as a player that could help them, yet you deny that the Blues saw Bernier as a player that could help them. The rules allow offer sheets. The Canucks signed Backes to one which the Blues matched. The Blues signed Bernier to an offer sheet which the Canucks matched. No room for crying there.
To state that really Davidson wasn't interested in Bernier is ridiculous. If I were a GM, I know I'd be interested in him.
Pure speculation on your part - you say the Canucks identified Backes as a player that could help them, yet you deny that the Blues saw Bernier as a player that could help them. The rules allow offer sheets. The Canucks signed Backes to one which the Blues matched. The Blues signed Bernier to an offer sheet which the Canucks matched. No room for crying there.
To state that really Davidson wasn't interested in Bernier is ridiculous. If I were a GM, I know I'd be interested in him.
If he really was interested in him, why did he wait until AFTER he became a Canuck, he had the opportunity to give him an offer sheet before that if i'm not mistaken, furthermore, it happened AFTER Gillis went after Backes
I think it's obvious, granted it's speculation on my part, but I really doubt you see Davidson go after Bernier if Gillis doesn't tender an offer sheet to Backes
But like we both said, it's just speculation on my part...but I think that either makes one of us wrong or the other naive
Edit - I don't know why I said Davidson...Larry Pleau is the Blues GM, my bad
Antoine Vermette and his agent must be salivating after seeing Pleau drive Bernier's price up...
Bernier had 30pts last year while Vermette almost doubled it...
Wonder how that situation will settle itself in Ottawa with Vermette
I'm telling you guys, this petty fighting between Pleau and Gillis will screw teams over in the long run
I back St.Louis in this. They poached, within the rules, but they poached. If you have a young player like Backes, you aren't walking away over the ammount Van. offered. I think if GM's, fans, etc. were polled, most would've predicted St.Louis to match.
So, if Van was simply exercising their rights, so was St.Louis. St.Louis has to pay an extra million for their guy, now so does Vancouver. F with my cap, I'll f with yours, I have no problem with that.
I back St.Louis in this. They poached, within the rules, but they poached. If you have a young player like Backes, you aren't walking away over the ammount Van. offered. I think if GM's, fans, etc. were polled, most would've predicted St.Louis to match.
So, if Van was simply exercising their rights, so was St.Louis. St.Louis has to pay an extra million for their guy, now so does Vancouver. F with my cap, I'll f with yours, I have no problem with that.
I really have a problem with that...they're not just F with their own caps, they're F with every teams caps.
Tendering offers to RFA's are part of the game, but when you're doing it purely out of spite, it's bush league IMO
