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07-10-2008, 01:36 PM
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Three guys scored 50 last year, just three. Gagne has nowhere near the goal scoring instinct of Kovalchuk or Ovechkin, and Iginla is a better scorer than him as well. More than a few have Gagne with 35+ goals last year, which would have been good for 15th in the league last year...and you're saying he's getting "no respect?" Cem on now. Gagne didn't play the majority of last year, is going to be coming off of a serious concussion -- which may re-occur -- I think you're giving him a highly optimistic number there. That would have been 2nd in the league last year...

25-35 from Gagne would have me very happy....35-45 I'd be ecstatic after the season that just happened.
Yeah it could depend on what kind of shape he comes back in, a know he was putting on some weight when he was out so hopefully he works that off before he's back. It also takes longer than people think to get your hands back and your timing on point to where it needs to be on the professional level. It wouldnt shock me if he started out very slow, maybe 5 goals in his first 20 games and then heats upw hen he gets back into playing shape and ends the season scoring 25-30 in his final 60 games or so. Of course this all depends on whether or not he gets hurt again, which obviously is in the back of everyone's mind.

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Yeah it could depend on what kind of shape he comes back in, a know he was putting on some weight when he was out so hopefully he works that off before he's back. It also takes longer than people think to get your hands back and your timing on point to where it needs to be on the professional level. It wouldnt shock me if he started out very slow, maybe 5 goals in his first 20 games and then heats upw hen he gets back into playing shape and ends the season scoring 25-30 in his final 60 games or so. Of course this all depends on whether or not he gets hurt again, which obviously is in the back of everyone's mind.
I think that path is possible for Gagne, but I think a hot start followed by a lull is also a concern. Modern athletes don't really get out of the conditioning routine for that long at all, so the fact that he missed so much time last year is really going to put him behind the 8-ball as far as game shape for an 82 game schedule...wouldn't be shocked to see him come out hot and then have an adjustment period where he is going to have to get past the drag of the season for a little bit before really being ready to go.

I agree that this isn't a shoe-in to be an easy season for Gagne.

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Three guys scored 50 last year, just three. Gagne has nowhere near the goal scoring instinct of Kovalchuk or Ovechkin, and Iginla is a better scorer than him as well. More than a few have Gagne with 35+ goals last year, which would have been good for 15th in the league last year...and you're saying he's getting "no respect?" Cem on now. Gagne didn't play the majority of last year, is going to be coming off of a serious concussion -- which may re-occur -- I think you're giving him a highly optimistic number there. That would have been 2nd in the league last year...

25-35 from Gagne would have me very happy....35-45 I'd be ecstatic after the season that just happened.

I see where you are comming from, and I completely understand. Of course I am being optimistic. But again, Providing he doesn come back in shape, and develops that chemistry he had with Forsberg with Briere, The possibilities are endless. Everyone is examining the possibilities of him being hurt again, or him being out of shape, well I am examining the possibility of he and Briere hitting it off. Forsberg missed quite a bit of action the two years he was centering gagne and he still put up 88 goals.
Understandibly, there was only 3 50 goal scorers last year, 2 the year before, and 6 the year before that. We all know Gagne needs a set-up man, and he has had one that last three seasons. Injury troubles of either him anfd/or his set up man have held his production back.
He was leading the league in goals in 05/06 for a large portion of the season, until forsberg got hurt.
I really would love for him to hit that plateau

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Cote- 83 goals 4 assists - 87 points
Briere- 34 goals 52 assists - 86 Points
Richards- 22 goals 45 assists - 67 Points
Carter- 34 goals 28 assists - 62 Points
Gagne- 36 goals 25 assists - 61 Points
Lupul- 27 goals 31 assists - 58 points
Giroux- 14 goals 35 assists - 49 points
Knuble- 21 goals 26 assists - 47 points
Upshall- 20 goals 22 assists - 42 points
Hartnell- 19 goals 22 assists - 41 points
Metro- 9 goals 16 assists - 25 points
Asham- 3 goals 6 assists - 9 points


Kimmo- 7 goals 41 assists - 48 points
Coburn- 8 goals 30 assists - 38 points
Jones- 6 goals 27 assists - 33 points
Eminger- 5 goals 19 assists - 24 points
Parent- 3 goals 12 assists - 15 points
Ossi- 2 goals 9 assists - 11 points
Kukk- 2 goals 7 assists - 9 points


Biron- 1 goal 3 assists - 4 points
Niittymaki- 0 goals 1 assist - 1 point


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07-10-2008, 05:17 PM
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Cote- 83 goals 4 assists - 87 points
Briere- 34 goals 52 assists - 86 Points
Richards- 22 goals 45 assists - 67 Points
Carter- 34 goals 28 assists - 62 Points
Gagne- 36 goals 25 assists - 61 Points
Lupul- 27 goals 31 assists - 58 points
Giroux- 14 goals 35 assists - 49 points
Knuble- 21 goals 26 assists - 47 points
Upshall- 20 goals 22 assists - 42 points
Hartnell- 19 goals 22 assists - 41 points
Metro- 9 goals 16 assists - 24 points
Asham- 3 goals 6 assists - 9 points


Kimmo- 7 goals 41 assists - 48 points
Coburn- 8 goals 30 assists - 38 points
Jones- 6 goals 27 assists - 33 points
Eminger- 5 goals 19 assists - 24 points
Parent- 3 goals 12 assists - 15 points
Ossi- 2 goals 9 assists - 11 points
Kukk- 2 goals 7 assists - 9 points


Biron- 1 goal 3 assists - 4 points
Niittymaki- 0 goals 1 assist - 1 point
Nitty gets shutout, really? That's just mean.

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Nitty gets shutout, really? That's just mean.
I know...that was rude. But hey, for being the backup, and seeing even less games than last year(there will be no December/Januaryish goalie drama this season, I'm giving him 20 games max), he's lucky I'm even handing him an assist.

If it weren't for Cote's feathery hands that are going to manage to collect a bouncing, inaccurate, indirect outlet pass from Niitty, and then proceed to split the D and beat the goalie with a Denis Savard-like spin move....well then, 'ol Frank would be sitting with goose eggs across the board.

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I know...that was rude. But hey, for being the backup, and seeing even less games than last year(there will be no December/Januaryish goalie drama this season, I'm giving him 20 games max), he's lucky I'm even handing him an assist.
I am not a Nitty fan, but Stevens definitely needs to rashion his goaltending better this year. I understand that Nitty was awful in training camp and preseason, which is why he wasn't getting any play at the start of the season...but you can't flip it around like that. Get Nitty consistent starts throughout the year and help keep Biron fresh, rather than the lump format he did this past year.

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This is going to be a real high scoring club next year. I'm thinking we could have at least one 90 point scorer (Briere) two 80 point scorers (Richards and Lupul) and some 70 point scorers as well (Carter and Gagne). I think Giroux is going to surprise a lot on here and I say he could make a play for 70 as well. At the very least, Giroux should fall in to the 60 point range (I'm thinking 22 goals, 38 assists for Giroux). Hell, I think Fartnell might even crack the 50 point plateau for the first time in his career and start justifying his over inflated contract. So, I'll call my predictions right now:

Daniel Briere - 36 goals, 57 assists, 93 points
Mike Richards - 32 goals, 53 assists, 85 points
Joffrey Lupul - 38 goals, 42 assists, 80 points
Simon Gagne - 42 goals, 36 assists, 78 points
Jeff Carter - 37 goals, 33 assists, 70 points
Claude Giroux - 22 goals, 38 assists, 60 points
Scott Fartnell - 31 goals, 27 assists, 58 points
Mike Knuble - 30 goals, 22 assists, 52 points
Steve Downie - 18 goals, 21 assists, 39 points
Glen Metropolit - 13 goals, 23 assists, 36 points

Kimmo Timonen - 9 goals, 51 assists, 60 points
Braydon Coburn - 8 goals, 33 assists, 41 points
Randy Jones - 11 goals, 28 assists, 39 points
Steve Eminger - 7 goals, 20 assists, 27 points
Ossi Vaananen - 6 goals, 9 assists, 15 points
Lasse Kukkonen - 0 goals, 6 assists, 6 points

Martin Biron - 33 wins, 4 shut outs, 2.46 GAA
Antero Niittymaki - 16 wins, 2 shut outs, 2.86 GAA

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07-10-2008, 06:02 PM
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Briere - 31 goals - 45 assists - 76 points
Richards - 28 goals - 53 assists - 81 points
Lupul - 23 goals - 30 assists - 53 points
Carter - 33 goals - 25 assists - 58 points
Hartnell - 21 goals - 21 assists - 42 points
Gagne - 29 goals - 27 assists - 56 points
Giroux - 9 goals - 30 assists - 39 points
Upshall -11 goals - 22 assists - 33 points
Knuble - 21 goals - 15 assists - 36 points
Downie - 5 goals - 12 assists - 17 points
Metropolit - 8 goals - 17 assists - 25 points
Asham - 4 goals - 10 assists - 14 points
Cote - 3 goals - 5 assists - 8 points

Total goals by the forwards: 226

Timonen - 11 goals - 47 assists - 58 points
Coburn - 6 goals - 32 assists - 38 points
Jones - 7 goals - 25 assists - 32 points
Eminger - 5 goals - 20 assists - 25 points
Vaananen - 1 goal - 10 assists - 11 points
Parent - 0 goals - 10 assists - 10 points
Kukkonen - 1 goal - 7 assists - 8 points

Total goals by the defense: 31

Total team goals: 257 (only 3 teams scored at least as much last season)

Accounting for injuries, less 10%: ~231 goals, a healthy 2.82 goals per game

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This is going to be a real high scoring club next year...
I love ya man, you never fail to disappoint with the optimism. 340 goals on that squad...they could score 40 less as a team and still lead the league in scoring...258 goals led the league last year, and goal scoring has been trending down each season since the lockout (hopefully they crack the whip some on the officials this year).

I agree that they'll be up near the top of the goal standings, but they almost assuredly won't be crossing the 300 goal plateau. If the league gets the officiating back to the first year after the lockout standard we may see a 300 goal club(s), but not far over.

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I love ya man, you never fail to disappoint with the optimism. 340 goals on that squad...they could score 40 less as a team and still lead the league in scoring...258 goals led the league last year, and goal scoring has been trending down each season since the lockout (hopefully they crack the whip some on the officials this year).

I agree that they'll be up near the top of the goal standings, but they almost assuredly won't be crossing the 300 goal plateau. If the league gets the officiating back to the first year after the lockout standard we may see a 300 goal club(s), but not far over.
I can feel the love....lol

Truth of the matter is that I see this team trying to play a Buffalo style of game from the 2005-2006 season. If that's the case, lots of run 'n' gun hockey with a few better players than what Buffalo had. I'm overly optimistic because we've finally shed our tag as a 'defense first' team and are moving towards an 'offense first' team. I love it.

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This is going to be a real high scoring club next year. I'm thinking we could have at least one 90 point scorer (Briere) two 80 point scorers (Richards and Lupul) and some 70 point scorers as well (Carter and Gagne). I think Giroux is going to surprise a lot on here and I say he could make a play for 70 as well. At the very least, Giroux should fall in to the 60 point range (I'm thinking 22 goals, 38 assists for Giroux). Hell, I think Fartnell might even crack the 50 point plateau for the first time in his career and start justifying his over inflated contract. So, I'll call my predictions right now:

Daniel Briere - 36 goals, 57 assists, 93 points
Mike Richards - 32 goals, 53 assists, 85 points
Joffrey Lupul - 38 goals, 42 assists, 80 points
Simon Gagne - 42 goals, 36 assists, 78 points
Jeff Carter - 37 goals, 33 assists, 70 points
Claude Giroux - 22 goals, 38 assists, 60 points
Scott Fartnell - 31 goals, 27 assists, 58 points
Mike Knuble - 30 goals, 22 assists, 52 points
Steve Downie - 18 goals, 21 assists, 39 points
Glen Metropolit - 13 goals, 23 assists, 36 points

Kimmo Timonen - 9 goals, 51 assists, 60 points
Braydon Coburn - 8 goals, 33 assists, 41 points
Randy Jones - 11 goals, 28 assists, 39 points
Steve Eminger - 7 goals, 20 assists, 27 points
Ossi Vaananen - 6 goals, 9 assists, 15 points
Lasse Kukkonen - 0 goals, 6 assists, 6 points

Martin Biron - 33 wins, 4 shut outs, 2.46 GAA
Antero Niittymaki - 16 wins, 2 shut outs, 2.86 GAA
I love it, not very realistic but I still love it haha. thats like 340 goals or something if I counted right, thats like 100 more goals than this year on a very good offensive team! over 4 goals a game average, thats insane especially when we're only letting up like what 2.5 goals a game or something. 49 wins is awesome too, count in 8-10 overtime losses and thats like 106-108 points which should be good for 1st in the Eastern Conference or 2nd at the very worst. thats a ton of legit goal scorers, 8 20 goal scorers and 7 30 goal scorers. Has any team in the history of the NHL ever had 7 30 goal scorers? I love it man, makes me feel good about the squad.

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I can feel the love....lol

Truth of the matter is that I see this team trying to play a Buffalo style of game from the 2005-2006 season. If that's the case, lots of run 'n' gun hockey with a few better players than what Buffalo had. I'm overly optimistic because we've finally shed our tag as a 'defense first' team and are moving towards an 'offense first' team. I love it.
I'm fine with the up tempo hockey, but they need to play smarter...and they need smarter D to run it. They need to rein it back a bit until they have those things. Evolve, rather than simply put the pedal to the max and hope everyone can keep up...cuz, frankly, we don't have the defense to keep up with our forwards, and smarter teams exploited that all year.

Even with a slower tempo than we saw last year, they'll score a lot...in fact, I think they'd score more because they'd get the puck to the offensive zone a bit more often. We're going to see some goals this year, that much is for sure. Hopefully a few less against.

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I can feel the love....lol

Truth of the matter is that I see this team trying to play a Buffalo style of game from the 2005-2006 season. If that's the case, lots of run 'n' gun hockey with a few better players than what Buffalo had. I'm overly optimistic because we've finally shed our tag as a 'defense first' team and are moving towards an 'offense first' team. I love it.
I dont think anyone could mistake this squad as being a defense first team

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Briere- 27 goals,47assists--74 points
Richards- 21 goals, 40 assists--61 points
Lupul- 19 goals, 25 assists--44 points
Carter- 30 goals, 30 assists--60 points
Hartnell- 17 goals, 24 assists--41 points
Gagne- 26 goals, 33 assists--59 points
Giroux- 7 goals, 20 asssits--27 points
Upshall-14 goals, 22 asssits--36 points
Knuble- 22 goals, 20 assists--42 points
Downie- 5 goals, 15 assists--20 points
Metropolit -10 goals, 16 assists--26 points
Asham- 4 goals, 5 assists--9 points
Cote- 3 goals, 4 assists--7points



Timonen - 10 goals, 44 assists--54 points
Coburn- 7 goals, 30 assists--37 points
Jones- 5 goals, 19 assists-24 points
Eminger- 2 goals, 12 assists--14 points
Vaananen -1 goals, 5 assists--6 points
Parent- 1 goal, 13 assists--14 points
Kukkonen--2 goals, 7 assists--9 points

Hatcher--(long term IR)

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I can feel the love....lol

Truth of the matter is that I see this team trying to play a Buffalo style of game from the 2005-2006 season. If that's the case, lots of run 'n' gun hockey with a few better players than what Buffalo had. I'm overly optimistic because we've finally shed our tag as a 'defense first' team and are moving towards an 'offense first' team. I love it.
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I'm fine with the up tempo hockey, but they need to play smarter...and they need smarter D to run it. They need to rein it back a bit until they have those things. Evolve, rather than simply put the pedal to the max and hope everyone can keep up...cuz, frankly, we don't have the defense to keep up with our forwards, and smarter teams exploited that all year.

Even with a slower tempo than we saw last year, they'll score a lot...in fact, I think they'd score more because they'd get the puck to the offensive zone a bit more often. We're going to see some goals this year, that much is for sure. Hopefully a few less against.
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I dont think anyone could mistake this squad as being a defense first team
I would love to see a Buffalo style game but unless Randy Jones all of a sudden gains some hockey IQ and Eminger justifies his position in the draft years ago and becomes the puck moving dman he was supposed to be, we dont have nearly the skill on defense Buffalo had 1-6.

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I would love to see a Buffalo style game but unless Randy Jones all of a sudden gains some hockey IQ and Eminger justifies his position in the draft years ago and becomes the puck moving dman he was supposed to be, we dont have nearly the skill on defense Buffalo had 1-6.
I think your underestimating the explosive stride of Ossi Vaananen

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I think your underestimating the explosive stride of Ossi Vaananen
haha, maybe! My apologies to Bobby "dont call me Orr" Vaananen

Actually I like him, but obviously doesnt help with the offense.

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I would love to see a Buffalo style game but unless Randy Jones all of a sudden gains some hockey IQ and Eminger justifies his position in the draft years ago and becomes the puck moving dman he was supposed to be, we dont have nearly the skill on defense Buffalo had 1-6.
I wouldn't say our defense is that bad at all. No, the defense probably isn't as good as Buffalo's was that year and in 2006-2007, however, I think our defense is kind of under rated and I think they're going to surprise a lot of people. This is probably the most mobile group that I've ever seen assembled in Philadelphia, not that that's saying much, but it's a definite change in recent years. The only other defense in team history that might be as mobile as this group is was the 2003-2004 defense. I think this group has a chance to be even better than that group and that was a pretty damned good group.

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indeed, my favorite part of the prediction game...

Fun from last year:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...%2C+Prediction

TY Jester, I was looking for this. I seem to remember this threat too

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=396380


Remember many people predicting 275-300 goals just from our forwards alone? This was funny to go back and reread. I'll have to go back and look at last years league numbers, where we finished, and how much I expect our current players to improve their game or take steps backwards. Then maybe I'll make my prediction. It will also be fun to look at others predictions. If they are anything like last years predictions then we should have no less than 3 of the top 10 and 5 of the top 15 scorers in the league this coming year. This will be fun reading.


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I wouldn't say our defense is that bad at all. No, the defense probably isn't as good as Buffalo's was that year and in 2006-2007, however, I think our defense is kind of under rated and I think they're going to surprise a lot of people. This is probably the most mobile group that I've ever seen assembled in Philadelphia, not that that's saying much, but it's a definite change in recent years. The only other defense in team history that might be as mobile as this group is was the 2003-2004 defense. I think this group has a chance to be even better than that group and that was a pretty damned good group.
I think they could potentially be pretty good, however, I dont think they are even close to that 2003/2004 defense.

In the playoffs we had

Jonnsson Ragnarsson
Malakov Markov
Timander Pitkanen

Compared to

Coburn Timonen
Jones Vaananen
Kukkonen Eminger
Parent


Our top pairing may be better but it is a huge drop off after that. I might take that 3rd pairing over our 2nd pairing.

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Briere- 27 goals,47assists--74 points
Richards- 21 goals, 40 assists--61 points
Lupul- 19 goals, 25 assists--44 points
Carter- 30 goals, 30 assists--60 points
Hartnell- 17 goals, 24 assists--41 points
Gagne- 26 goals, 33 assists--59 points
Giroux- 7 goals, 20 asssits--27 points
Upshall-14 goals, 22 asssits--36 points
Knuble- 22 goals, 20 assists--42 points
Downie- 5 goals, 15 assists--20 points
Metropolit -10 goals, 16 assists--26 points
Asham- 4 goals, 5 assists--9 points
Cote- 3 goals, 4 assists--7points



Timonen - 10 goals, 44 assists--54 points
Coburn- 7 goals, 30 assists--37 points
Jones- 5 goals, 19 assists-24 points
Eminger- 2 goals, 12 assists--14 points
Vaananen -1 goals, 5 assists--6 points
Parent- 1 goal, 13 assists--14 points
Kukkonen--2 goals, 7 assists--9 points

Hatcher--(long term IR)
That would be an utter disaster. You have Richards, Briere, Knuble, Downie, Hartnell, Lupul, and Metropolit regressing from what they put up last year in the goal department. You have Carter staying basically the same, the Flyers getting pretty poor seasons from Gagne and Giroux, and Upshall producing the same that he did in 60 games last year. If that happens, we'll be the worst team in the league.

Are you expecting a strike shortened season or something?

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That would be an utter disaster. You have Richards, Briere, Knuble, Downie, Hartnell, Lupul, and Metropolit regressing from what they put up last year in the goal department. You have Carter staying basically the same, the Flyers getting pretty poor seasons from Gagne and Giroux, and Upshall producing the same that he did in 60 games last year. If that happens, we'll be the worst team in the league.

Are you expecting a strike shortened season or something?
I think it is quite possible that Richards (somewhat), Knuble and Metropolit will regress from last year but I doubt Briere, Lupul, Downie and Hartnell will. Keeping Briere at center will lessen Carter's numbers somewhat so I would be perfectly happy with 30-30 and Giroux is a rookie, I dont know what to expect from him.

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Predictions should be high because injuries decrease goal scoring and it's pointless to try to predict that stuff.

Briere: 34 G, 51A, 85PTS (Last year: 31/41/72 in 79 games)
Richards: 24G, 54A, 78 PTS (Last year: 28/47/75 in 73 games)
Gagne: 36G, 32A, 68 PTS (Last year: 7/11/18 in 25 games)
Carter: 35G, 30A, 65PTS (Last year: 29/24/53 in 82 games)
Lupul: 28G, 30A, 58PTS (Last year: 20/26/46 in 56 games)
Hartnell: 27G, 25A, 52PTS (Last year: 24/19/43 in 80 games)
Giroux: 14G, 35A, 49 PTS (Last year: None)
Knuble: 20G, 22A, 42PTS (Last year: 29/26/55 in 82 games)
Upshall: 16G, 25A, 41PTS (Last year: 14/16/30 in 61 games)
Downie: 13G, 25A, 38 PTS (Last year: 6/6/12 in 32 games)
Metropolit: 8G, 20A, 28PTS (Last year: 11/22/33 in 82 games)
Asham: 5G, 10 A, 15 PTS (Last year: 6/4/10 in 77 games)
Cote: 2G, 4A, 6 PTS (Last year: 1/3/4 in 70 games)

Forward Total: 262

Timonen: 9G, 37A, 46 PTS (Last season: 8/36/44 in 80 games)
Coburn: 10G, 30A, 40 PTS (Last season: 9/27/36 in 78 games)
Jones: 5G, 20A, 25 PTS (Last season: 5/26/31 in 71 games)
Eminger: 5G, 15A, 20PTS (Last season: 0/2/2 in 20 games)
Parent: 1G, 12A, 13 PTS (Last season: 0/0/0 in 22 games)
Vaananen: 2G, 8A, 10 PTS (Last season: None)

Defense Total: 32

Overall=294- between 30 and 50 goals due to injury brings you to 244-264 total goals.

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I think it is quite possible that Richards (somewhat), Knuble and Metropolit will regress from last year but I doubt Briere, Lupul, Downie and Hartnell will. Keeping Briere at center will lessen Carter's numbers somewhat so I would be perfectly happy with 30-30 and Giroux is a rookie, I dont know what to expect from him.
I agree, they'll be some give and take and a lot depends on what roles players get. I expect Richards to regress slightly in the goal scoring department, Knuble to lose some PP time and thus PP goals to Hartnell, and Metropolit to produce slightly less since he won't be a full time top 9 forward like he was in Boston.

I expect Briere to score more with Gagne for a full season, possibly playing with Richards on the top line as well (what I'd like to see). I think Hartnell will be more productive with a full season under his belt, especially considering that he was absolutely terrible offensively for the first 30 games or so last year and still managed 24 goals. I think Carter will have a better season because I think he'll see some more time on the first PP unit, Giroux is a perfect fit for him, and he could very well step into the 2nd line center spot if Briere moves to wing.

I do know that we're not scoring around 205 goals next year and that's what that prediction had us at.

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