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02-18-2004, 04:53 PM
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Players who revolutionized their positions

We've probably had threads about this before, but I was thinking the other day about players who changed the face of the game by redefining a position and moving it in a new direction. Some examples:

1) Bobby Orr: Yeah, other dmen had elite defensive skills (Harvey, Red Kelly etc) but it was Orr who gave us the modern era of the rushing defensemen.

2) Clark Gillies and Cam Neely: Defined the modern concept of the "power forward."

3) Ron Hextall: Turco, Brodeur, and Dipietro owe much to his stick handling skills. In his prime, he was just awesome.

4) Patrick Roy: Popularized the butterfly style that is so influential nowadays.

Some others? I was trying to think about early enforcers (Dave Schultz was not early, but was influential for his high profile around the league), maybe Bob Gainey and Don Marcotte for being guys who were considered to be elite forward primarily for their defensive styles.

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Definetly Jacques Plante for being the first goalie to wear a mask. Hard to believe that before 1959 no goalie wore won. Goalies were absolutely crazy back then.

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Gordie Howe - The original power forward
Bernie Geoffrion - The Slapshot
Tony Esposito - Butterfly Goaltending
Mike Palmateer/Grant Fhur - Puckhandling Goalies

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Jacques Plante also was the first goalie to routinely leave the crease to handle the puck.

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Definetly Jacques Plante for being the first goalie to wear a mask. Hard to believe that before 1959 no goalie wore won. Goalies were absolutely crazy back then.

Absolutely! How could I have forgotten that one?

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Gordie Howe - The original power forward
Bernie Geoffrion - The Slapshot
Tony Esposito - Butterfly Goaltending
Mike Palmateer/Grant Fhur - Puckhandling Goalies

I definitely agree with the first three.

I'd argue,however, that neither Palmateer (who Islander fans hate) and Fuhr were in Hextall's class. Hextall was almost the leagues first rushing goaltender!

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I definitely agree with the first three.

I'd argue,however, that neither Palmateer (who Islander fans hate) and Fuhr were in Hextall's class. Hextall was almost the leagues first rushing goaltender!
I agree Hextall was better, but not first. Just like Bobby Hull had a better slapshot than Geoffrion, but Geoffrion did it first.

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Wayne Gretzky - for setting up plays from behind the net
Johnny Bower - the poke check
Bon Gainey - defensive forward
Willie O'Ree - First black dude, he didn't exactly revolutionize his position but his impact on the game is undeniable.

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Stan Mekita and Boby Hull who collectively invented the curve in the stick.

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3) Ron Hextall: Turco, Brodeur, and Dipietro owe much to his stick handling skills. In his prime, he was just awesome.
Unfortunatly it still won't get him into the Hall.

It's nice though to see him get some well deserved recognition.

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Def forward- Claude Provost
Pest -Bryan (Bugsy)Watson
Power FWD-Charlie & Lionel Conacher (can only go by what I've read)
Entertaining - Who Else but # 23
Slowest - Brad Marsh,Terry Harper & A. Karpovstev
Marsh & Harper could play on my teams anyday though!!
PP Specialist- Camille (The Eel) Henry
Absolute Haywire- Reg Fleming

Maybe not exactly game changing or innovative but these guys come to mind when thinking about these categories.

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Glenn Hall-invented the butterfly goaltending style used so much today

Jacques Plante-first goalie to play the puck outside of the crease, first to wear a mask.

Bobby Orr-completely changed what a defenseman's role COULD be.

Terry Sawchuk-invented the goalie "crouch", allowing him to see through player's legs. Hadn't been done before.

Wayne Gretzky-Changed the way forwards played by encouraging weaving instead of the "up-and-down-the-boards" kind of play that came before. Greatest passer ever.

Andy Bathgate-invented the slapshot, toyed with a curved stick before Mikita and Hull did.

Dave Keon-first defensive player who was also a threat to score and played clean.

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I don't know if you guys would agree or even classify this as revolutionizing the position but it's one that I feel could become more popular and I am unaware of any player prior who employed this tactic... What I'm talking about is BRETT Hull and the winger position with his one kneed sweep/slap shot... You all know what I'm talking about, the one-timer off his one knee while standing a few feet off the side boards... Is this something you guys see as possibly becoming more popular with players or something Hull simply has perfected and will be exclusive to him?

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I don't know if you guys would agree or even classify this as revolutionizing the position but it's one that I feel could become more popular and I am unaware of any player prior who employed this tactic... What I'm talking about is BRETT Hull and the winger position with his one kneed sweep/slap shot... You all know what I'm talking about, the one-timer off his one knee while standing a few feet off the side boards... Is this something you guys see as possibly becoming more popular with players or something Hull simply has perfected and will be exclusive to him?
Not too many of those kind of shooters have been around, but Mike Bossy had that same Roman Catholic genuflective stance as well on many of his launches.

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How about Bjore Salming? He may not have changed his position but he opened the doors to European players.

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Since my immediate selections have already been named, I am going to throw a curve ball: Kjell Samuelsson. Now, perhaps he had a predecessor but I recall whenever he played announcers would mention his height (6 foot 6) because it was so unique. Now the NHL has a few players like Hal Gill and Zdeno Chara who are taller. I am not saying Samuelsson was a HOF'er type, just that he stood out in a sense.

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Gordie Howe - The original power forward
Bernie Geoffrion - The Slapshot
Tony Esposito - Butterfly Goaltending
Mike Palmateer/Grant Fhur - Puckhandling Goalies
A Mike Palmateer sighting! I used to love watching him play.

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Who was the first player that was called sniper? Maurice Richard was definately one but when that term was used for the first time?

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One that hasn't been mentioned....

Dominik Hasek. Sure he's a jerk and I don't like him, but he has changed the way the goalie position is played. When did you ever see goalies flopping around before Hasek came?

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Wayne Gretzky - for setting up plays from behind the net

Gretzky wasn't the firt to do that. Even he admits he pretty much got that from Bobby Clarke.

Gretzky just took it to a whole new level.

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Doug Harvey; the first true powerplay quarterback and possibly one of the best passing defencemen ever. Before Orr he forced people to recognize that offense could be created by defencemen.

Roger Neilson; not as a player, but he revolutionized coaching by being the first to use and study video.

Mark Messier; for the wrong-foot wrist shot. Never saw it before him, and while nobody is as good as he is or was with it, you're starting to see it from other players more often now.

Fuhr and Palmateer were the first showman goalies who made each save a bit of a spectacle. As for puckhandling, what Fuhr really excelled at better than anyone before or really since was rebound control and kicking rebounds past opposition forwards to his own wingers to start things the other way. In the era of "let the puck hit you" this style of rebound control is dead.

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Mark Messier; for the wrong-foot wrist shot. Never saw it before him, and while nobody is as good as he is or was with it, you're starting to see it from other players more often now.
Watch Joffrey Lupul of the Ducks play. He's really got that Messier wrong-foot shot. He doesn't use it all the time but he can just shoot whenever. I remember it always catching goalies off-guard when Moose did that.

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Gordie Howe - The original power forward
Bernie Geoffrion - The Slapshot
Tony Esposito - Butterfly Goaltending
Mike Palmateer/Grant Fhur - Puckhandling Goalies
Good list..but id pick Roy instead Of esposito

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Gretzky wasn't the firt to do that. Even he admits he pretty much got that from Bobby Clarke.

Gretzky just took it to a whole new level.
That's like saying Orr didn't revolutionize his position - he just took it to a whole new level (there were other offensive minded defensemen before him - Doug Harvey way back in the '50's and others as well). Clarke (and others) set up from behind the net before Gretzky, but Wayne made it an actual style of play rather than something that was occasionally done. When Clarke was on the ice his wingers didn't set up in a 'triangle offense' with one of the D men jumping into the play - effectively forming a line with the wingers - with the puck being fed out from behind the goalie. Using that basic play, the Oilers became the highest scoring team in the NHL and a goalie's worst nightmare In the early to mid 80's there was a rush of players who (tried to) copy that style of play and its now become a standard play....Clarke didn't inspired that same type of shift in approach.

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Without question the most revolutionary winger in Canucks history is Jarkko Ruutu. the first player to introduce the full-full-full, half twister,spread to diving. Simply breathtaking

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