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Vancouver Radio reports: Gonchar to Toronto tommorrow

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02-19-2004, 11:46 AM
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Agreed Gonchar has years ahead of him and is already a top 3 offensive defenseman in the league.

and I agree that Gonch will bring in more then Jagr or Bondra did but I'm very skeptical that he'd bring in a pick a great prospect and a roster player either.

Antropov? I can see him being part of the deal, a draft pick? that as well, Colaiacovo? no, I mean he can already play pretty well at the NHL level and being the 17th ranked prospect in The Hockey News has got to mean something, He's likely finding a spot on the Roster next year and has offensive upside as well, I'd toss in Prospects like Bell, Kondratiev, White, Maybee Williams and Wellwood, but not Cola.

like I've said before could the Leafs use Gonchar?

Yeah we could BUT he is NOT essential, if the Leafs could add another Klee we'd still be looking a lot strong on the blue line then we do now, we need a top 4 D-Man, not neccisarily a #1 allthough a #1 like Gonchar would be Ideal, we can make do with another #2, 3 or 4.

What you could make do with, and what gets you over the hump are two different things.

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02-19-2004, 11:49 AM
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I'd take Colaiacovo before Antropov, and I think that McPhee would agree. If it had to be he and a mid-level pick, that would be ok by me. Antropov? If Toronto were willing to add him, great, but I think a young blue-chip asset on defense is what will be needed to get a deal done for Gonchar, from whichever team makes it happen.

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I'd take Colaiacovo before Antropov, and I think that McPhee would agree. If it had to be he and a mid-level pick, that would be ok by me. Antropov? If Toronto were willing to add him, great, but I think a young blue-chip asset on defense is what will be needed to get a deal done for Gonchar, from whichever team makes it happen.
just curious as there has been rumors that lacroix covets gonchar and the caps want young d prospects, how would you rate ballard and liles to that of colilacavo?

what would the trade value difference be/// a 3rd, maybe a 2nd?? between those 2 and carlo, what about paul martin in nj?

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just curious as there has been rumors that lacroix covets gonchar and the caps want young d prospects, how would you rate ballard and liles to that of colilacavo?

what would the trade value difference be/// a 3rd, maybe a 2nd?? between those 2 and carlo, what about paul martin in nj?
Paul Martin is overrated.

I think a package of Ballard/Liles would get you Gonchar, neither is as talented as Coliacovo.

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I think a package of Ballard/Liles would get you Gonchar, neither is as talented as Coliacovo.
If Ballard and Liles will get them Gonchar, then you certainly ren't getting Colaiacovo.

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I'd take Colaiacovo before Antropov, and I think that McPhee would agree. If it had to be he and a mid-level pick, that would be ok by me. Antropov? If Toronto were willing to add him, great, but I think a young blue-chip asset on defense is what will be needed to get a deal done for Gonchar, from whichever team makes it happen.
How about Kondratiev then. He's 3rd on our prospect depth and hes young. Add a 2nd from next years draft and a 3rd and a 4th from this one. Or switch a pick for Bell/White.

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If Ballard and Liles will get them Gonchar, then you certainly ren't getting Colaiacovo.

You certainly haven't been watching Colorado enough. JM Liles is playing like a top-4 defenseman. Hes gritty, plays well positionally, and if I need to tell you about his offense, then i'm surprised you even know his name. By the way Keith Ballard is a kickass prospect, and was 52 on the top prospect list(it gives the top 75 in the hardcopy edition)

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If Ballard and Liles will get them Gonchar, then you certainly ren't getting Colaiacovo.
Caps would be thinking two holes filled nicely, rather than one filled incredibly.

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Ballard and Liles... if both were offered as a package, then yes, I think the Caps would have to take that. If just one of them and a pick, then no, I think McPhee would hold out for a better player. Both would probably be too good to pass up, though.

Now if Lacroix tries to land both Gonchar and Kolzig... then I'm not sure what sort of package the Caps would seek or the Avalanche would offer.

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To inform Leafs and Caps fans:
The radio station just *speculated* that they *think* Gonchar will be dealt soon, and they mentioned a few teams: Colorado Detroit and Toronto. Nothing immenent though, like Miz said ( ).
I can 100% garantee you the wings arent in the race for gonchar. It would make absolutely no sense at all and would be the worst trade holland could make... We definitly dont need a offensive defensemen

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Caps would be thinking two holes filled nicely, rather than one filled incredibly.
If Ballard and Liles would land Gonchar, then would Toronto sending Maxim Kondratiev, Brendan Bell, and TOR 1st 2004 be competitive with that offer? (I don't know Liles too well, so I can't really guage that offer, but I do know he's very small for a defender)

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If Ballard and Liles would land Gonchar, then would Toronto sending Maxim Kondratiev, Brendan Bell, and TOR 1st 2004 be competitive with that offer? (I don't know Liles too well, so I can't really guage that offer, but I do know he's very small for a defender)
Liles > Kondratiev

Liles has stuck in the NHL this year and has played quite well for the Avs. Kondratiev played the first 7 or so games with Toronto, and SHOULD have stayed with the big club, but became a victim of the numbers game (and Pat Quinn's loyalt to veterans and proven players).
Kondratiev is IMHO as good a prospect, and has a slightly higher upside, however his market value is not close to Liles at this point. Kondratiev is still a relative unknown outside of Toronto.

Ballard > Bell

Ballard is just the better prospect period.

So that leaves Toronto 2004 1st. It's going to be a low first but I think the addition of the first would make Toronto's offer equal or a tad better (depending on how much Washington thinks of Kondratiev)

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If Ballard and Liles would land Gonchar, then would Toronto sending Maxim Kondratiev, Brendan Bell, and TOR 1st 2004 be competitive with that offer? (I don't know Liles too well, so I can't really guage that offer, but I do know he's very small for a defender)
I hope the Avs move Liles and Ballard for Gonchar.

That will kill them down the road big time!

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I hope the Avs move Liles and Ballard for Gonchar.

That will kill them down the road big time!
they are already dead down the road....

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I hope the Avs move Liles and Ballard for Gonchar.

That will kill them down the road big time!
And increase their already amazing chances at a Stanley Cup.

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And increase their already amazing chances at a Stanley Cup.
They don't lack offense from the blueline.

It's not going to increase their chances that much more than it already is.

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They don't lack offense from the blueline.

It's not going to increase their chances that much more than it already is.
Personally, I don't buy this whole "they are already good at one area, it won't help the team". I realize in order of priority it makes less logical sense, esp. when a team like Colorado does not have very many valuable non-roster assets.


If a team has Joe Thornton and they accquire Sergei Fedorov - is it such a bad move ? I mean, they already have a #1 C - they don't lack a top centre...

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I think theres gonna be a special midnight press conference to annouce the trade.
























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they are already dead down the road....
It's called free agency.

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It's called free agency.
that will catch up with them though....

having young, good prospects is essential for keeping "core-guys", guys that are brought into the organization early and kept their ala Fedorov/Yzerman/Lidstrom in Detroit

look at Fedorov in Anaheim, I know they have a different system, but regardless of #'s he obviously isn't the same player

it really will catch up to them....

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i hope they are right this time

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i hope they are right this time

maybe today was tomorrow?

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they are already dead down the road....
That's what people have been saying about the Red Wings for more than five years.

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