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09-09-2008, 12:29 PM
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I love debating with posters that can back up what they say...Kudos CP.

True Latendresse matched Shanahan when you look at points per minute played. But there is a reason why Latendresse only played on average of 10-12 minutes per game, while Shanahan averaged approximate 16-18.

Also, making this comparison is similar to if you said Latendresse scored 5 goals in his first 8 games. So he should have 50 goals after 80 games if you timed both columns by 10.

He might, but just because he did something in a certain amount of games/ice time. Doesn't mean he proved he could continue it if his playing time increased.

Until Latendresse is put in the situation where he gets the line mates, and gets the ice time. The comparison of points per minute between Shanahan and Latendresse is a moot point IMO.

Shanahan, though not a speed demon in comparison to Latendresse. Is a much better positional player, who doesn't hurt his team defensively like Latendresse does. I lost count last season on how many times I watched Latendresse be the last player back into our defensive zone.

Also I agree that Shanahan isn't the physical player he once was. But if you compare Latendresse last year to his rookie season. He isn't what I would call a physical powerhouse either.
We are not talking 8 games here, we are talking a full season of data. Do you agree that for the most part Shanny has played with much better linemates and had a pile more PP time?

I agree that it would be a lot easier to compare if Lats was playing with Koivu and Higgins last year versus mostly on a 3rd or 4th line made up mostly of bangers and grinders. He played a stretch with Sergei and had his best period of the season.

At best I'd like to see him with Tanguay and Koivu, at worst with S.Kost and a veteran center(Lang? Sundin? ??). Maybe Chipchura can do the job, but I prefer him with Laraque and Lapierre/Kostopoulos on the 4th.

Lats was our most physical forward, ahead of guys like Kostopoulos and Lapierre in hits, and the strength of their game so he must be doing a pretty good job of that.

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Shanny skating at the Rangers training center today, his agent is talking with Sather right now, he's confident he'll be a Ranger soon.



http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/0...l-be-a-ranger/
They are already over the cap, who would they dump to make room?


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09-09-2008, 12:33 PM
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1993 cup ring (Breezy)
1994 Cup Ring (kovy)

We have cup winners on our team... that was his point.
My bad. Ithought he wa saying that was when Shanny won cups.

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09-09-2008, 12:39 PM
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They are already over the cap, who would they dump to make room?
they are 2 or 3 millions under it.

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09-09-2008, 02:09 PM
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My bad. Ithought he wa saying that was when Shanny won cups.
We didn't even mention Dandenault.... Shanahan would mean dumping him... but their cup rings look the same.

so adding cup rings is not a good enough argument for bringing in Shanny.

I don't want him.. I don't think he fits our needs... I'd rather go with what we got.

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09-09-2008, 02:26 PM
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We didn't even mention Dandenault.... Shanahan would mean dumping him... but their cup rings look the same.

so adding cup rings is not a good enough argument for bringing in Shanny.

I don't want him.. I don't think he fits our needs... I'd rather go with what we got.
We surely need a centerman AND a #4D before we need a Shanahan. Without any doubt. And some are willing to go with what we have so surely Shanahan is not a need whatsoever.

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09-09-2008, 02:33 PM
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We surely need a centerman AND a #4D before we need a Shanahan. Without any doubt. And some are willing to go with what we have so surely Shanahan is not a need whatsoever.
Exactly... a better worded version of what I meant.

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btw, Shanahan isn't a Ranger yet ! he's just skating around with the guys ... there is a bit of noise going around about the Habs and Anaheim & SJ that proposals have been going back and forth ... anyone hear about that too ?

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09-09-2008, 03:28 PM
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We are not talking 8 games here, we are talking a full season of data. Do you agree that for the most part Shanny has played with much better linemates and had a pile more PP time?

I agree that it would be a lot easier to compare if Lats was playing with Koivu and Higgins last year versus mostly on a 3rd or 4th line made up mostly of bangers and grinders. He played a stretch with Sergei and had his best period of the season.

At best I'd like to see him with Tanguay and Koivu, at worst with S.Kost and a veteran center(Lang? Sundin? ??). Maybe Chipchura can do the job, but I prefer him with Laraque and Lapierre/Kostopoulos on the 4th.

Lats was our most physical forward, ahead of guys like Kostopoulos and Lapierre in hits, and the strength of their game so he must be doing a pretty good job of that.
Oh I know CP, but there is a big difference between playing 10-12 minutes per game, and playing 16-18. That was my point, he put up his production in a lot less minutes than Shanahan did.

Would he be able to keep up or even surpass that pace with more minutes? Who knows...until he gets a chance to prove it.

Someone of Lat's stature should not only be hitting people, he should be dominating them. The majority of his hits were little "excuse me" bumps. Nothing highly physical or intimidating about them.

In the past Latendresse has been given chances to play on a top line. But for some reason Carbo keeps pulling him off.

Is it because Carbo is an idiot? *Don't answer that WTK*
Or does Latendresse still need a lot of work before he is ready to step up to that level?

So until Latendresse can be a 16-18 minute top 2 line player. He takes a back seat to Shanahan at the moment.Because as of the end of last season, that's what Shanahan was for the Rangers.

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09-09-2008, 03:37 PM
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Oh I know CP, but there is a big difference between playing 10-12 minutes per game, and playing 16-18. That was my point, he put up his production in a lot less minutes than Shanahan did.

Would he be able to keep up or even surpass that pace with more minutes? Who knows...until he gets a chance to prove it.

Someone of Lat's stature should not only be hitting people, he should be dominating them. The majority of his hits were little "excuse me" bumps. Nothing highly physical or intimidating about them.

In the past Latendresse has been given chances to play on a top line. But for some reason Carbo keeps pulling him off.

Is it because Carbo is an idiot? *Don't answer that WTK*
Or does Latendresse still need a lot of work before he is ready to step up to that level?

So until Latendresse can be a 16-18 minute top 2 line player. He takes a back seat to Shanahan at the moment.Because as of the end of last season, that's what Shanahan was for the Rangers.

Some people jsut seem oblivious to these facts...

they just keep

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09-09-2008, 03:38 PM
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btw, Shanahan isn't a Ranger yet ! he's just skating around with the guys ... there is a bit of noise going around about the Habs and Anaheim & SJ that proposals have been going back and forth ... anyone hear about that too ?
first time ive heard of Shanny to the Habs ..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,e3

i also heard Saku wants a trade to Columbus Bluejackets.

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Just throwing this out there. What if BG was to trade one of our wingers for a big center (assuming Sundin doesn't sign) and then went out to get Shanny to replace that hole. That would be the only reason I could see where signing Shanny would make sense.

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09-09-2008, 08:21 PM
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Come on Asterix, you've been around here for a couple of years. You should know by now that any player not currently under a long term contract has a chance of becoming a Hab.
What was I thinking... shame on me!

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Shanny skating at the Rangers training center today, his agent is talking with Sather right now, he's confident he'll be a Ranger soon.



http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2008/0...l-be-a-ranger/
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btw, Shanahan isn't a Ranger yet ! he's just skating around with the guys ... there is a bit of noise going around about the Habs and Anaheim & SJ that proposals have been going back and forth ... anyone hear about that too ?
What I've heard is Gainey categorically stating that he wouldn't pursue Shanahan. But hey, he's just the Habs' GM, someone else in the organization may make Shanny an offer!

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eck has stopped that story, now it is other stuff e2

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Not the biggest Shanahan supporter and while he's not a fast skater, how can you go from 23 goals and 46 points to totally done?

Sure his best days are behind him, and maybe we don't need him but there's a line to be cross between just a few years left in the tank to totally finished and wouldn't help anybody....
When you go from 40 goals, 81 points down to 23 goals and 46 points in 2 seasons, and you will be turning 40 in a few months there is a good chance that you are done.

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Veteran Shanahan says he wants to re-sign with Rangers
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3578683

By Pierre LeBrun

"We're continuing to have discussions with the Rangers with the hope of Brendan being able to play there," Shanahan's agent Rick Curran told ESPN.com on Tuesday evening. "Unless and until that changes, we're not interested in talking to anybody else right now."
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"My agent is presently talking with [Rangers GM] Glen [Sather]," Shanahan told the Journal News on Tuesday. "I've made it clear to him that this is obviously the team I want to play on this season, and he's talking to Glen right now. I've been optimistic throughout the summer that I was going to be part of the Rangers. I've kept in touch with Glen. He's kept that door open and I've kept that door open. ...

"And here we are now, coming down to it. It's not like we had a whole lot of decisions to make."

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I love debating with posters that can back up what they say...Kudos CP.

True Latendresse matched Shanahan when you look at points per minute played. But there is a reason why Latendresse only played on average of 10-12 minutes per game, while Shanahan averaged approximate 16-18.

Also, making this comparison is similar to if you said Latendresse scored 5 goals in his first 8 games. So he should have 50 goals after 80 games if you timed both columns by 10.

He might, but just because he did something in a certain amount of games/ice time. Doesn't mean he proved he could continue it if his playing time increased.

Until Latendresse is put in the situation where he gets the line mates, and gets the ice time. The comparison of points per minute between Shanahan and Latendresse is a moot point IMO.

Shanahan, though not a speed demon in comparison to Latendresse. Is a much better positional player, who doesn't hurt his team defensively like Latendresse does. I lost count last season on how many times I watched Latendresse be the last player back into our defensive zone.

Also I agree that Shanahan isn't the physical player he once was. But if you compare Latendresse last year to his rookie season. He isn't what I would call a physical powerhouse either.
The thing is, Shanahan would only be getting Latendresse-like minutes. The reason Shanahan was getting more opportunities ont he Rangers is simply because they lacked offensive depth. Shanahan would be a 3rd liner at best on this team, and is clearly declining. Adding him would be a huge mistake. It would just reek of the Randy McKay signing.

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The thing is, Shanahan would only be getting Latendresse-like minutes. The reason Shanahan was getting more opportunities ont he Rangers is simply because they lacked offensive depth. Shanahan would be a 3rd liner at best on this team, and is clearly declining. Adding him would be a huge mistake. It would just reek of the Randy McKay signing.
Good point, but I think Shanahan might get more PP time than Latendresse. As he's a right handed shot that we are sorely lacking. Which would increase his minutes per game over what Lats received last season.

I agree with you that he is declining and wouldn't be a great addition. I was just stating my points that currently Latendresse hasn't proven to be a better player than Shanahan.

lol...and as for the McKay signing. Don't let Lord Chezz see this part.

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When you go from 40 goals, 81 points down to 23 goals and 46 points in 2 seasons, and you will be turning 40 in a few months there is a good chance that you are done.
On the decline? Absolutely! Good days behind him, for sure. But I guess it just comes down to semantics but I don't agree that he's totally done at the point that he couldn't even help an NHL team. Even just as a PP specialist and a 3rd liner, he would do a nice job.

Having said that, again, he's not what we need.

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Good point, but I think Shanahan might get more PP time than Latendresse. As he's a right handed shot that we are sorely lacking. Which would increase his minutes per game over what Lats received last season.

I agree with you that he is declining and wouldn't be a great addition. I was just stating my points that currently Latendresse hasn't proven to be a better player than Shanahan.

lol...and as for the McKay signing. Don't let Lord Chezz see this part.
we won't know for sure until he is given said opportunity. Same goes for O'byrne. Might as well give those guys a bigger role and see how they perform before spending assets on guys taht may or may not be better than them. Center is a big of a different problem, there is a depth issue that's not there on the wing, plus Chipchura on the 3rd line limits the offense that line can produce. If they can get a Lang relaitively cheap or maybe a bigger trade for a Horcoff(though he makes a lot of money and is prob not moving).

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we won't know for sure until he is given said opportunity. Same goes for O'byrne. Might as well give those guys a bigger role and see how they perform before spending assets on guys taht may or may not be better than them. Center is a big of a different problem, there is a depth issue that's not there on the wing, plus Chipchura on the 3rd line limits the offense that line can produce. If they can get a Lang relaitively cheap or maybe a bigger trade for a Horcoff(though he makes a lot of money and is prob not moving).
We are definitely on the same page CP. I would rather see what our young players like Lats and O'byrne could do with more icetime. Except I wouldn't mind adding Schneider to our defense core.

Adding a more offensive center would definitely be my first choice.

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If they can get a Lang relaitively cheap.
I don't know why, I have goosebumps every time I ear Lang and Montreal in the same sentence. I don't see either (Shanahan & Lang) as a good alternative. Youth is what got us here, these two seem over the hill.

I would be more incline in trading a young winger to get a decent center. Got the feeling we will ear Higgins name very often this season.

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I don't know why, I have goosebumps every time I ear Lang and Montreal in the same sentence. I don't see either (Shanahan & Lang) as a good alternative. Youth is what got us here, these two seem over the hill.

I would be more incline in trading a young winger to get a decent center. Got the feeling we will ear Higgins name very often this season.
It's already begun as most of the trade proposals I've read involving the Habs on the trade board contain Higgins name.


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It's already begun as most of the trade proposals I've read involving the Habs on the trade board contain Higgins name.
It's really becoming ridiculous.

People should give their head a shake before posting that type of stuff.

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It's already begun as most of the trade proposals I've read involving the Habs on the trade board contain Higgins name.
Not to offend anybody but I was thinking more towards the medias covering the NHL than the blogosphere...

Is upcomming UFA status won't help the rumour mill to cool down.


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Always been a huge Shanny fan, one my all time favorite players. But he's pretty much done I think, a shell of his former self, and while the team could really benefit from a vet who's won before, we're crammed on the wings as it is, unlike at C or D.

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