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#18 Montreal Canadiens Prospect

View Poll Results: who's #18?
Greg Stewart 43 27.56%
Olivier Fortier 27 17.31%
Niklas Torp 11 7.05%
Steve Quailer 9 5.77%
Scott Kishel 2 1.28%
Brock Trotter 11 7.05%
Andrew Conboy 4 2.56%
Philippe Paquet 2 1.28%
Jason Missiaen 3 1.92%
Greg Pateryn 17 10.90%
Shawn Belle 22 14.10%
Joe Stejskal 2 1.28%
Mathieu Aubin 1 0.64%
Olivier Latendresse 1 0.64%
Patrick Johnson 1 0.64%
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07-15-2008, 10:28 PM
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Trotter has the potential to be a 2nd line center in the NHL or could end up being a career AHLer like Locke... the guy winning the poll right now is a potential 4th line grinder in the NHL. I don't see a problem with Trotter getting votes based on his upside
I'm gonna need a list of centremen under 5'10 in the NHL to look at before I even consider the remote possibility that someone with his combination of skill/size could ever become a second line centre (heck, a centre at all) in the NHL.

edit: here it is

39 Niko Kapanen PHX C 68 180 L 79 10 18 28 -1 34 13:48
16 Martin St. Pierre CHI C 69 185 L Y 5 0 0 0 -3 0 15:16
45 Corey Locke MTL C 69 169 L Y 1 0 0 0 -1 0 5:59
9 Derek Roy BUF C 69 188 L 78 32 49 81 13 46 20:58
13 Mike Cammalleri LAK C 69 185 L 63 19 28 47 -16 30 18:34
82 Martin Straka NYR C 69 180 L 65 14 27 41 5 22 18:37
48 Andrew Ebbett ANA C 69 175 L Y 3 0 0 0 3 2 13:18
20 Geoff Platt ANA C 69 175 L 5 0 0 0 2 2 11:17
12 Scott Nichol NSH C 69 175 R 73 10 8 18 12 72 13:15
11 Eric Perrin ATL C 69 180 L 81 12 33 45 -5 26 17:49


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I'm gonna need a list of centremen under 5'10 in the NHL to look at before I even consider the remote possibility that someone with his combination of skill/size could ever become a second line centre (heck, a centre at all) in the NHL.

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39 Niko Kapanen PHX C 68 180 L 79 10 18 28 -1 34 13:48
16 Martin St. Pierre CHI C 69 185 L Y 5 0 0 0 -3 0 15:16
45 Corey Locke MTL C 69 169 L Y 1 0 0 0 -1 0 5:59
9 Derek Roy BUF C 69 188 L 78 32 49 81 13 46 20:58
13 Mike Cammalleri LAK C 69 185 L 63 19 28 47 -16 30 18:34
82 Martin Straka NYR C 69 180 L 65 14 27 41 5 22 18:37
48 Andrew Ebbett ANA C 69 175 L Y 3 0 0 0 3 2 13:18
20 Geoff Platt ANA C 69 175 L 5 0 0 0 2 2 11:17
12 Scott Nichol NSH C 69 175 R 73 10 8 18 12 72 13:15
11 Eric Perrin ATL C 69 180 L 81 12 33 45 -5 26 17:49
Umm... centers can be switched to play the wing too.

Hockeysfuture has him ranked our #16 prospect and from that list Price, Kostitsyn and Grabs are gone so based on his offensive upside I don't get the problem with ranking him #18 on our list.

If he was a sure thing to be a bust since he's too small i'm pretty sure Timmins and Gainey wouldn't have bothered taking a chance on him.

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Umm... centers can be switched to play the wing too.

Hockeysfuture has him ranked our #16 prospect and from that list Price, Kostitsyn and Grabs are gone so based on his offensive upside I don't get the problem with ranking him #18 on our list.

If he was a sure thing to be a bust since he's too small i'm pretty sure Timmins and Gainey wouldn't have bothered taking a chance on him.
First of all, I was just challenging YOUR claim to his potential as a second line centre. If you think it's more likely he would make it as a winger, you should have stated that. And secondly, what chance? He didn't even cost a draft pick (meaning we didn't use a draft pick to choose him instead of someone else). For all you know he was chosen by Timmins/Gainey FOR the AHL with absolutely NO expectations to play a role on the Habs.

The level of competition is that different between the two levels that it's more likely he was signed for the AHL almost exclusively and if anything miraculous DID happen, he'd atleast get a chance to try out the NHL level once or twice (a la Locke). But MAKE it as a second line centre in the NHL... I'm laughing to myself for now.

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The level of competition is that different between the two levels that it's more likely he was signed for the AHL almost exclusively and if anything miraculous DID happen, he'd atleast get a chance to try out the NHL level once or twice (a la Locke). But MAKE it as a second line centre in the NHL... I'm laughing to myself for now.
Right now there is a chance Corey Locke could be the #2 center for the Wild as they are weak down the middle after Miko Koivu.

Right now Eric Perrin is the #2 center for Atlanta.

**** even Manny Malholtra was like Columbus's #1 center last year.

Trotter could turn into a 2nd line center for another team other than the Habs, he most likely won't be able to be a 2nd line center on a contender but I don't get whats is so laughable about him being a 2nd line center in the NHL.

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Trotter is fast unlike Locke.

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Trotter is fast unlike Locke.
Exactly... if there should be any complaining about these selections it should be how the hell does Kishel have 2 votes when 1 is even too many.

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Johnson has less votes than Trotter

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Trotter has the potential to be a 2nd line center in the NHL or could end up being a career AHLer like Locke... the guy winning the poll right now is a potential 4th line grinder in the NHL. I don't see a problem with Trotter getting votes based on his upside
This is why I voted Belle on this one. I rather go with a guy who has some potential instead of a guy who's tagged as a fourth line grinder.

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I don't get the problem with ranking him #18 on our list.
Oh, I forgot about this part. I have no problem with where he's ranked on any HF poll. I vote for fun, knowing fully well that the results will be farther off the mark than any of the lists of pro scouts/scouting bureaus. People voting for NHL-ready, almost certainly lifetime/part time grinders instead of young guys with a wealth of talent for example...

But when poster turn around and start labeling these guys as potential this and that, well, I take every opportunity to "discuss" that. And I would suggest that Malholtra and Perrin showed way better NHL-level toolsets than Trotter at the same point in either's respective development.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Madsen gets a harder look for that second centre position than Locke in Minny (Gillies is a while away IMO, but as the saying goes: desperate times...), despite a so-so run in the AHL last year, but that's me and that's a digression. I don't think Trotter will be better than Locke, and Locke himself is gonna be hard-pressed to find a long term, full-time NHL job (especially on a top line), so...

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