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02-19-2004, 10:03 AM
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O'Neill ?

what would he cost you think ?
antro and a 1st ?

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i'd rather keep nik, 1st.

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maybe just the 1st and maybe i will talk

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I'd take O'Neill over Antropov in a second.

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Adding O'Neill is only improving upon an existing strength. Unless we got him cheaply... which is extremely unlikely given that O'Neill is a consistent 30 goal scorer and still relatively young I've no interest.

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Adding O'Neill is only improving upon an existing strength. Unless we got him cheaply... which is extremely unlikely given that O'Neill is a consistent 30 goal scorer and still relatively young I've no interest.
I wouldn't say we'd be improving an existing strength almost all our proven forwards are not relatively young...it's not as immediate a need as defence but if the price is right then we should go after some younger forwards too. And it seems as though 2 or 3 of our top forwards are always out of the line-up so O'neill could be quite valuable come playoff time.

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Would not suprrise me if Toronto did move to acquire O'Neill and Wesley. I suspect that both could be had for alot less than many people think. We'll see but still lots of time before the trade deadline. Given the looming lockout and the fast approaching post CBA area, I suspect that alot of players are going to be available prior to the trade deadline.

Stay tuned ....

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Would not suprrise me if Toronto did move to acquire O'Neill and Wesley. I suspect that both could be had for alot less than many people think. We'll see but still lots of time before the trade deadline. Given the looming lockout and the fast approaching post CBA area, I suspect that alot of players are going to be available prior to the trade deadline.

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Wesley isnt going anywhere.

O'Neil. Meh. Use the assets to shore up the D first, then look into it.

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all of our scorers are in the over 30 club
oneill adds a young scorer

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No way is he worth that he has played like crap this year and last.

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Antropov and a 1st for Gonchar I'd do

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O'Neill played well last year, and while I don't know for myself cause I didn't watch the Canes when Roberts was playing there, I've heard that his play dropped off when Roberts left. Pairing them up against in Toronto would/could be a good move.

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all of our scorers are in the over 30 club
oneill adds a young scorer
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Rutherford is quite open about his intent to unload around $10 million in salary going into the summer.

Not sure of the contract status of Brindamour, Hill, Hedican - all of whom get paid more than they are worth. If they have contracts going into next year then expect to see them on the curb.

Irbe at $2.5 million next year - Rutherford would love to unload that. Good luck.

Wesley is not going anywhere. Francis might, but doubtful. According to Rutherford.

That leaves Boughner and O'Neill as almost certain trade targets in order to get the salary down to $26 million next year because they are both under contract for an approximate $6 million combined.

Looking at the core of the team going into the future they are pretty light on center depth, so I think Antropov would definately have some interest to Rutherford.

Antropov and a 1st is a pretty likely trade value.

If it was me, I'd do it in a second. But only if I secured the D first - because Antropov might be needed to execute that trade.

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I think we'd be better off with a Gonchar/Kolzig deal.

Antropov, Steen,Tellqvist or Kidd and a 1st round for Gonchar and Kolzig. Washington wouldn't accept it but ya never know. Look at Bondra. They gave him up for relatively nothing.
For obvious reasons I think they would work well. Gonchar to shore up the defence and Kolzig to fill the gap in nets. The Leafs need someone in The Eagles absence and although Telly is, IMO, good I don't think he's ready for playoff experiences. I know Kolzig isn't relegated to being a backup all his career but , after all, it's only for the rest of the season. And if it puts a ring on his finger, I think he'd sacrifice his NO:1 position. Plus it gets him out of Washington and on to a contender.
Let's face it, we ALL know the Leafs aren't getting younger and with Belfour getting older and having all his back problems, I'm sure he's contemplating hanging up his pads. Plus he's only signed till the end of this year anyway. That being said, you can never tell if he'll be back. Washington almost went all the way a few years ago with Klee, Gonchar and Kolzig and they didn't have NEAR the firepower back then as the Leafs do now. IMO, with all these guys together , I'd say that's a recipe for a winning team if ever there was one. Belfour and Kolzig??? CMON.

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I think we'd be better off with a Gonchar/Kolzig deal.

Antropov, Steen,Tellqvist or Kidd and a 1st round for Gonchar and Kolzig. Washington wouldn't accept it but ya never know. Look at Bondra. They gave him up for relatively nothing.
For obvious reasons I think they would work well. Gonchar to shore up the defence and Kolzig to fill the gap in nets. The Leafs need someone in The Eagles absence and although Telly is, IMO, good I don't think he's ready for playoff experiences. I know Kolzig isn't relegated to being a backup all his career but , after all, it's only for the rest of the season. And if it puts a ring on his finger, I think he'd sacrifice his NO:1 position. Plus it gets him out of Washington and on to a contender.
Let's face it, we ALL know the Leafs aren't getting younger and with Belfour getting older and having all his back problems, I'm sure he's contemplating hanging up his pads. Plus he's only signed till the end of this year anyway. That being said, you can never tell if he'll be back. Washington almost went all the way a few years ago with Klee, Gonchar and Kolzig and they didn't have NEAR the firepower back then as the Leafs do now. IMO, with all these guys together , I'd say that's a recipe for a winning team if ever there was one. Belfour and Kolzig??? CMON.
Interesting - your Kolzig thoughts. I would have preferred to hang onto Tellqvist and in the off season sign a tier 1 back-up like Hedberg or Osgoode. Platoon the two and hope the Tellvist takes the reigns. But Kolzig is interesting.

Tellqvist or Kidd? Big difference in market value there.

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Interesting - your Kolzig thoughts. I would have preferred to hang onto Tellqvist and in the off season sign a tier 1 back-up like Hedberg or Osgoode. Platoon the two and hope the Tellvist takes the reigns. But Kolzig is interesting.

Tellqvist or Kidd? Big difference in market value there.
A Kolzig move would have Life Altering Circumstances for the Leafs and in the Future.. First Kolzig make as much as Eddie Belfour 6 Million + per year .... and his contract still has 1 year plus an option remaining at 6 mil...

So If Leafs went this route as has been suggested above then ... you are Basically telling Eddie the minute that Kolzig arrives that Belfour's time in Toronto is up...

Leafs are never going to carry 2 - 6 million $$$$ goalies on the same roster, and with a CBA .. NO ONE WILL EVER DO THAT... and How do you think Eddie is going to feel this year KNOWING he is now officially been replaced... Not good I would suspect and then if Telly is in the Deal then where might Leafs long-term future be.. Washington is one of the leagues worst teams and that with Lang 2nd in League Scoring, Gonchar one of the top Offensive Dmen and also a roster that included Jagr and Bondra... I think the goalie would have to get a lot of blame for the results in the standings even with a bad/young defense in Washington...

Not sure this Kolzig thing is well thought out ... the only way I would support it if Eddie came out and said like Hasek he is done for the year ..then I could support it and I still would not trade Telly in the deal to get him...


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I don't think that the Caps are gonna want Telly anyways.

They have enough of their own goalie prospects in Ouellet, Stana, and Daigenault.

That is the one area they are strong in.

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I don't think that the Caps are gonna want Telly anyways.

They have enough of their own goalie prospects in Ouellet, Stana, and Daigenault.

That is the one area they are strong in.
I was going to ad that as well to my post when I mentioned Telly, but then thought the thread would turn to a Washington prospect Goalie discussion and where Telly would fit in to that..

and I wanted to stress the Downfall of getting Kolzig...

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