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07-16-2008, 11:59 PM
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Red Wings to win 63+ ??

Any chance of this happening??


They had 54 last year. And they look better than last year obviously..

63 is the record, (by detroit by the way), anyone think they will break it this year? or maybe there are teams like dallas San Jose Anaheim and Chicago(seemed to have the wood on them last year early)

What do we think ?? Most wins in a season ever??

(i hope not being a stars man)

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07-17-2008, 12:00 AM
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Not gonna happen!

They play in the West against the varsity teams. And the Hawks and Blue Jackets both improved.

If they played in the East i would say 55-59 wins would be very likely!

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07-17-2008, 12:11 AM
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no, simply put..

i'd expect 50+, but not 60

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Isn't 62 the record?

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With the shootout, it's certainly possible.

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07-17-2008, 12:51 AM
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Isn't 62 the record?
probably i couldnt remeber if it was one or the other, i was leaning towards 63, ahh well

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No...you'd basically have to have all your core players stave off injuries for six months for that to happen and that's just not realistic in a season like the NHL's. Detroit is certainly capable of it but injuries are going to prevent that and that's just hockey reality.

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They were on pace to come close, if not break it, this past season, but they had that huge rash of injuries in February. I dont think it is entirely out of the question or impossible, but it is very unlikely. This team has the best chance in a while to do it though.

Like others have said though, it all lies in health and how much intensity the Wings bring night in and night out.

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ZOMG it won't count becauze of shootoutz!!!! asterixez!! *******


Seriously though, they will have the (possible but unlikely) hangover, and should be targeted more by the west. I'd still thing they're good for the pres trophy, but not 130 points. I think too many teams will be able to pick at them occasionally.

Hossa also very much didn't impress me last year. He mailed it in, in ATL. Don't like to see guys do that. He improves them, but is stoppable.

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07-17-2008, 05:05 AM
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I doubt they'll be as hungry throughout the regular season this year. I'm predicting a Ducks-like season for them, with serious trouble getting the engine running following the championship.

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'77 Habs are going down. Lidstrom and Zetterberg aren't going on vacation until New Year's. There won't be a hangover. They'll systematically dismantle the league once again. Their game isn't based on high emotion so a let down isn't really an issue. Just go out there and efficiently get the job done.

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07-17-2008, 07:18 AM
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Injuries can play a huge factor, but if the Wings remain relatively healthy they will push for the record IMO. I dont think many really understand how almost perfectly constructed Detroit is. This was the best team in the league without question last season and they've gotten better. As NN said, Detroit's game isnt about great emotion or intensity, it's about skill and a "death-grip" like system that gives you nothing.

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Injuries can play a huge factor, but if the Wings remain relatively healthy they will push for the record IMO. I dont think many really understand how almost perfectly constructed Detroit is. This was the best team in the league without question last season and they've gotten better. As NN said, Detroit's game isnt about great emotion or intensity, it's about skill and a "death-grip" like system that gives you nothing.
As good as Detroit is (and they're very good), the parity around the league will make it very hard to get 63 wins.

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Presidents cup again... but not 63 wins... more like 60!

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With the shootout, it's certainly possible.
Yup...since ties have been eliminated it should make it more of a possibility.

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Is this counting the playoffs?

If not, no chance.

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'77 Habs are going down. Lidstrom and Zetterberg aren't going on vacation until New Year's. There won't be a hangover. They'll systematically dismantle the league once again. Their game isn't based on high emotion so a let down isn't really an issue. Just go out there and efficiently get the job done.
Suuuure.

Big hangover coming up. Just like with any other cup winning team.

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With the shootout, it's certainly possible.
because of that, i'd have to consider any "record" set with an asterisk anyway

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I don't see them breaking the record.

Firstly, because even though there are no ties now, 63 is still a hell of a lot of wins.

Secondly, because Osgood has only played more than 40 games in the regular season once in the past 6 years. He's 36 next season, and if he needs as much rest as he's had in the last half-decade, it's asking too much of Conklin to expect him to come in and repeat his '07-'08 performance.


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07-17-2008, 10:29 AM
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ZOMG it won't count becauze of shootoutz!!!! asterixez!! *******


Seriously though, they will have the (possible but unlikely) hangover, and should be targeted more by the west. I'd still thing they're good for the pres trophy, but not 130 points. I think too many teams will be able to pick at them occasionally.

Hossa also very much didn't impress me last year. He mailed it in, in ATL. Don't like to see guys do that. He improves them, but is stoppable.
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Detroit been the bench mark for a few years now on how another team stacks up. Teams have been playing them hard for years to find out how good they actually are.

I don't see this year any different just because they are the champs doesn't mean another team won't be playing harder or softer then in the past.

I also agree breaking the record would be tough but if injuries are low they could come close... I predict 55-60 wins.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Detroit been the bench mark for a few years now on how another team stacks up.
Sure - you're wrong. Detroit has not been the benchmark for the past few years.

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most points by a team in a single season - 70s Canadien with 62 win
most win by a team in a single season - 1995-96 Wings with 63 win

Wings were on pace to break both records by half way last season, but a huge injury problem prevented that.

I think it's possible to break that record, seeing we got Stuart and Hossa plus more experienced squad this season. However it's no secret no matter how good your team is 63 win is very daunting task. I remember in 95-96 season, Wings just couldn't lose even if they tried.

If they are at 30ish wins half way to the season, it is very possible to break that record again.

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I doubt they even win the President's Trophy this year.

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I doubt it, but it could happen. This is a parity league but Detroit looks to have not only the best top-end talent but also the most teamwide depth so they are in the best position to absorb a couple injuries. The Central division looks to be weaker than last season (Chicago got better but it appears Nashville and St. Louis are worse and Columbus made lots of moves but they just appear to be lateral changes and not improvements). Detroit's roster looks just like some of the pre-cap teams, loaded with stars and depth. That alone could be enough to do it. You've got 3 potential 100 point forwards in the top 6, a back-to-back 20 goal guy on the 3rd line, a 40+ point 4th line forward, four #1/#2 defenseman, and tremendous depth on the blueline. Short of Osgood/Conklin completely falling apart this team is well poised to take a run for the record, but likely will fall short.

A quick look at the scoring breakdown of each projected Detroit line:

Holmstrom - Datsyuk - Hossa (combined for 80 goals & 203 points last season)
Franzen - Zetterberg - Samuelsson (combined for 81 goals & 170 points last season)
Hudler - Filppula - Cleary (combined for 52 goals & 120 points last season)
Maltby - Draper - Kopecky (combined for 20 goals & 39 points last season)

Lidstrom - Rafalski (combined for 23 goals & 125 points last season)
Kronwall - Stuart (combined for 13 goals & 58 points last season)
Lilja - Lebda (combined for 5 goals & 26 points last season)

That's 274 goals on paper, not counting depth players (McCarty/Downey/Leino, Chelios, Meech/Quincey). As a team Detroit only scored 257 goals last season and the top tem scored 262. Those numbers are also assuming that Hossa doesn't improve upon his 29 goal, 66 point campaign from last season. Detroit could conceivably challenge not only the wins record, but the 300 goals scored mark. Defensively, I don't expect Detroit to have any dropoff, and they'll likely be improved with Stuart for an entire season and a top-tier defensive winger added into the top 6 at the expense of a retired Dallas Drake.

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Without Sundin, they are barely a playoff team...but with Sundin, they are Cup contenders.

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