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Should you be alive for the Cups to obtain bragging rights?

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07-17-2008, 11:25 PM
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Should you be alive for the Cups to obtain bragging rights?

Simple question.

If your favorite team has a history of winning Cups in the past, should you lose your ability to brag about those Cups if you weren't alive for them?

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07-17-2008, 11:39 PM
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If your over 15-20 no. However if you are a fan of Montreal this rule does not apply (The history of winning and being a dominant team throught the ages is part of being a fan, same thing applies to Yankees, Celtics, and Lakers fans).

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You lose bragging rights after a year IMO. Its great to look back on it, but its the past.

The whole "yeah, well, at one time we were the best team!" is ridiculous.

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07-18-2008, 12:02 AM
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Each team get's a year. Unless you have 24, which is like almost a quarter of a century :p.

Nah just messing.

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07-18-2008, 12:07 AM
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I'd set the grace period at 2 years. Maybe a little higher if your team has consistent success in the years after winning the Cup (Conference Finals or higher)

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07-18-2008, 12:14 AM
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Your team is your team and it shouldn't matter whether you were alive or not....and by the way, I was around for the Oilers cups in the 80s.

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07-18-2008, 12:24 AM
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I would say as long as there is still players on the team or the GM that built the Cup winning team is still there, you still have bragging rights.

Because after all the players have left and most of the front office of that organization has left, that Cup win really has nothing to do with the present team, and therefore is irrelevant to the current situation.

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07-18-2008, 12:36 AM
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ya i usually find it pretty bizarre when kids born in the 90's are bragging about cups won in the 60's 70's or 80's

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07-18-2008, 01:07 AM
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The most bizarre example of this in the sporting world, is the behaviour of Liverpool fans, who think people care that they used to be a great team. I've seen nothing like it, and its absolutely delusional, and you will find many Liverpool fans actually try to brag to Manchester United fans, because Liverpool has won 18 and United has won 17 titles. Nevermind the fact that since Liverpool won their last title, United have won 10 championships!!

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You only get bragging rights if you were at the rink. By the time a tv signal is compressed, broadcast and viewed, it's already ancient history. If you've actually watched your team win it over the internet, not only do you not have ANY bragging rights, but the god of hockey takes away one year of your lifespan.

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07-18-2008, 02:23 AM
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I'd say at the very minimum at this point, Original 6 wins can longer be used as bragging rights.
Even at 12 teams, it's a bit of a stretch, but I'll allow it.

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07-18-2008, 05:34 AM
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Yep, you can only brag about Cup wins that happened during your lifetime, and only ones you were actually old enough to watch and remember.

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I wouldn't brag about winning in a 6 team league in which only 3 of those teams were competitive.
I'd say only one year, I doubt to many Lightning fans are doing much bragging.

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Simple question.

If your favorite team has a history of winning Cups in the past, should you lose your ability to brag about those Cups if you weren't alive for them?
your team should have at least 1/3 of your cup team to brag

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I think it depends. Were you born a fan or did you just become one? ....Or even worse jump on the bandwagon.

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I don't think I have bragging rights for anything "my" team does. I didn't do anything to cause them to win. I don't take pride in the efforts of others just because I hope they win.

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team history makes a team. without the history, the spurs are a better franchise than the lakers and celtics. history has to be taken into account, regardless of whether you were alive for it or not

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07-18-2008, 09:32 AM
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team history makes a team. without the history, the spurs are a better franchise than the lakers and celtics. history has to be taken into account, regardless of whether you were alive for it or not
He never said it didn't, but he asked whether you can brag about it. I'd argue you can't. If it happened before you were alive, you were not a fan of the team at the time, since you weren't alive and all. Odds are, you probably didn't watch any of the games either, or if you did it wasn't with the same knowledge and attatchment to the roster. Seems hard to brag about it considering all this.

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team history makes a team. without the history, the spurs are a better franchise than the lakers and celtics. history has to be taken into account, regardless of whether you were alive for it or not
I don't see the need as to WHY you HAVE to consider the Lakers and Celtics a better franchise.

The more I think about, the more I'm contemplating a set of rules along these lines... (still tweaking them in my head)
1. The league at the time had to be competitive and/or 'fair'. (Montreal's early years - they had first dibs on all french players... that's an extra pool to draft from the others didn't have, for example)
2. If the ownership has been consistent through the time - its fair game to use. (Blackhawks, if they had a history of winning would be an example with the Wirtz family owning it for most of their existence)
3. The team should continue to be competitive today (Detroit is best example here)
4. Bandwagon fans need not apply.

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If your team has never won a cup, you cannot start a thread like this, it's against all bragging rules.

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You lose bragging rights after a year IMO. Its great to look back on it, but its the past.

The whole "yeah, well, at one time we were the best team!" is ridiculous.
Bam. Completely agree.

It's cool to talk about historically or whatever, but not really an effective trash-talking tool for present situations.

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