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07-19-2008, 07:40 PM
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Nash: One year early

This topic will get a lot of play next offseason and especially once the season begins when the decision becomes more urgent. But the thought crossed my mind today so I figured to give some people a chance to debate it a year early when there's less immediate impact.

Nash has but two years left on his contract (08-09 and 09-10). His cap hit is a reasonable $5.4m but actual dollars are $6.5 and $7.0m. After next season he becomes an UFA. That's right, able to sign anywhere he wants with no compensation. And he will be just 26 years of age and still in the prime of his career.

Nash has averaged 72gms, 30g, 24a, 55pts. He has significantly turned his defensive play around since he was a -62 after his first two seasons. There is no doubt he is the face of this franchise but is he really the superstar that will carry this team to the promised land. He has yet to put up superstar numbers for this team although a case can be made that he hasn't had much support. He has shown flashes of brilliance and domination (mostly in international competitions) but not the NHL where I want to see more of it.

-Have there been enough positive changes in this team this season to give Rick a chance for a break out year or will he ever break out.

-Shouldn't we hold Rick to a higher standard and quit using excuses for his production. I mean real superstars create their own statistics right?

-What if he does break out but our team still fails to make the playoffs. Is Rick so important to our team and this franchise that his salary isn't important in the grand scheme of things and we should lock him up no matter what.

-What is Rick going to ask for in his next contract. He is going to make $7m next year Does he currently deserve to be in the same pay category as other superstars in the league (ie: Lidstrom, Iginla, Kovy, etc.) and will he be demanding to be amongst the elite pay range players (ie: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin ) in his next contract?

- What kind of assets would he fetch that could help our team at next years trade deadline, help with both salary and the holes in our roster that a player like Nash could return.

What to do?

Discuss.

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07-19-2008, 07:56 PM
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This should be fun, let me get my popcorn.

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Nash is irreplaceable. We need to lock him for his career next season.

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Until a new franchise player steps up he deserves all the credit he can get and i also see no reason not to make excuses as he is no play maker but sorely could use a good one. After all every time Nash plays for Canada he play on their top line, coincidence?

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07-19-2008, 08:01 PM
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If we fail to make the playoffs the next 2 seasons, I dont think Rick Nash will resign.

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Give him whatever he wants, dollars should not be a problem. Anything he asks for let him have it.

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Sign him to a Vinny-esque deal, as far as I'm concerned.

He is a dominant player, he just needs some support.

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07-19-2008, 08:41 PM
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What he really wants first is a good center to enhance his game as well as our entire first liner's. Not getting that player this year could speak volumes on the negotiations between Nash and Howson in 2 years.

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Great points Byrral.

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Sign him to a Vinny-esque deal, as far as I'm concerned.

He is a dominant player, he just needs some support.
The first thing I thought of when I read Byrral's post was the Vinny contract. These days you need to lock up your face of the franchise early in his career.

Check out Vinny's stats vs. Nasher's stats since they joined the league:

Vinny

Nasher

There are definitely some similarities. Vinny didn't really have his superstar breakout until his 8th season, Nasher is heading into his 6th. Hopefully he won't take as long to reach his breakout. (Or the Jackets take that long to give him talent to work with)

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Brassard's top end ability is a perfect center for Nash. Hopefully he gets there and hopefully it is in a reasonable amount of time. I don't expect it this year. That's why I'd go after another top 6 player.


On Nash I'd sign him to a

12 year 90 million dollar and not regret a dime of it. That is 7.5 per.

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I'd give him 12 years $100 million, if he left we're screwed.

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If we dont lock him up, I will not continue to financially support this team. He is our franchise player, and if SH lets him go, the franchise will be leaving Columbus with him

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07-19-2008, 09:37 PM
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Trade him. We haven't won with him anyway, and I hear he's threatening to go back to his cabin (the one he was unable to lure any friends to, if anyone else can recall that scandal).

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Y'all know how much I love "trade Nash" threads.
But I'll play along because the answer is easy:
We wait this season to see how Nash responds to having a better team around him, another full year with Hitch, and the mantle of captaincy ...before any talk of contract extension or trade.

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I repeatedly said since the team hit the wall after the allstar break that Unless they make the playoffs this season and make it to at least the second round by the following season, I'm guessing Nash walks. We can't simply depend on good will towards a team that drafted you. Ask yourself, if Scott Howson were the GM in 02, would he have moved up to draft Nash? What place would the Jackets have been in for that draft? So many questions....

He's been promised help and each year it hasn't been delivered upon adequetely. This organization has never had a true, no-nonsense, number one center...EVER. He's Been a good soldier and says all the right things. He's been the face of the Franchise since really, the 03-04 season. This offseason, above all others allowed us the chance to compete monetarily for Offense and we got some decent pieces back, but lost some pieces as well.

Nash pretty much had to do it all after Zherdev's production hit the wall a few weeks after the allstar break too. Notice that we had no offense when Nash went into a slump for about 10 games from late January to late Feb.

I doubt Nash sticks around for a raise, something has to compel him to, either way, we're running out of time.

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07-19-2008, 10:21 PM
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Trade him. We haven't won with him anyway, and I hear he's threatening to go back to his cabin (the one he was unable to lure any friends to, if anyone else can recall that scandal).
What scandal?

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What scandal?
Well, I for one thought it was scandalous that his friends (Shelley among them, as I recall) wouldn't visit him in his cabin.

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Definitely need to sign and lock him up long-term.

Nash is a highly skilled dominant player who can take over the game at times. Once he gets some linemates who can play at his level, we will see what Nash is truly capable of.

Moreover, Nash is a class act and now demonstrating his leadership skills as well. You cannot put a price on that.

Nash = the Blue Jackets franchise.

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Well, I for one thought it was scandalous that his friends (Shelley among them, as I recall) wouldn't visit him in his cabin.
I still don't follow....

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He needs to be tied down by a local girl that won't let him leave when his contract is up.

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He needs to be tied down by a local girl that won't let him leave when his contract is up.
Yeah, someone get on that.

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Yeah, someone get on that.
Mel?

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Yeah, someone get on that.

I will be a team player, he can have my wife!!




I will even drop her off, tonight is OK with me!

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We are, however, assuming Nash is into ladies.

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Nash won't be leaving.....

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