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07-20-2008, 08:54 PM
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nvm not a prospect


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What do you think, when Jack Johnson's, Marc Eduoard Vlasic, Matt Niskanen, Anton Stralman, etc, names wern't put on it either.

The 2005 draft featured alot of top end talented defenseman, in Jack Johnson, Marc Vlasic, Marc Staal, Matt Niskanen, Anton Stralman, Kristopher Letang. Others included Lee, Kindl, Parent, Yandle, Hjalmarsson, Lashoff, Bourdon ().
Most of those guys weren't mentioned because they played the full season in the NHL last year, or the year before. Can't really be referred to as prospects.

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07-20-2008, 09:10 PM
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I looked up his stats on Internet Database and they seem to indicate that this guy has never really put up any number of points at any level in his hockey career.

NHL Powerplay QB seems kind of out of line for Ericsson.
Prime example of why scouts actually go to games instead of basing assumptions off of a stat sheet. He played 8 games and a whopping 1:39 on the PP in those games, which almost came entirely in one game. Guess what happened? He scored. From the point. On the PP.

His shot is actually one of his best assets..

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07-20-2008, 09:23 PM
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I disagree. Holland wouldn't have resigned him if there wasn't a role for him. At the moment, we are fully stocked with good defensemen. Many of our guys would be top 2 and top 4 on other teams... If they didn't think he would, he wouldn't be here.
Elite D-men like Pronger + Niedermayer can make (and have made) their partners look good when they are not (i.e see MAB + Beauchemin) so I don't buy the "top-4 on our team will be a top-2 on another team" argument.

It's the trickle down effect in hockey that happens when your elite players take on the best opposition leaving your other players with lesser opposition. It happens every playoffs when 3rd/4th liners outscore their teammates.

Those prospects that excel in spite of being on a crappy team/defense impress me more - see EJ.

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07-20-2008, 09:38 PM
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Most of those guys weren't mentioned because they played the full season in the NHL last year, or the year before. Can't really be referred to as prospects.
That's what I meant, lol.

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07-20-2008, 09:57 PM
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Chris Chelios is primed for a breakout season. He's probably one of the top-end Red Wing's prospects.
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07-20-2008, 10:07 PM
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He wasnt drafted highly, in fact he was the last pick of the 2002 draft, but Jonathan Ericsson is very highly touted here in Detroit. He is 6'5", but has the quickness and agility of a players who is 6'0". He uses his size to his advantage, probably could hit more, but he is still learning that part of his game. He has a rocket shot, won the AHL's all-star shot competition with a shot of 100.1 mph. His best asset is probably his smarts, he rarely plays out of position and is very smart with his stick.

He still needs to work on his puck movement a little bit, but isnt bad at it, but has room to improve there. He also needs to learn to use his shot more, as he seems to be a bit reluctant to use it.

Overall he is project to be a top 2 defensemen and will likely be Detroit's powerplay QB when Nick Lidstrom retires.
I don't doubt for a second he's going to be a perennial all-star. Detroit always does it

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Wouldn't this fit better in the PROSPECTS forum? Since seeing as this is about Prospects?

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05 Draft:
Ryan Parent - PHI
Cody Franson - NSH
Brian Lee - OTT
Matt Lashoff - BOS

06 Draft:
Ty Wishart - TB
Mark Mitera - ANA
Bob Sanguinetti - NYR
Ivan Vishnevskiy - DAL
Jeff Petry - EDM

07 Draft:
Karl Alzner - WSH
Thomas Hickey - LA
Keaton Ellerby - FLA
Ryan McDonagh - MTL
Kevin Shattenkirk - COL
this is what i was looking for thank you

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07-21-2008, 12:03 AM
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That's flawed logic, that ranking was when HF considered Sam Gagner and Andrew Cogliano were considered prospects. He's a guy who's bound to be a decent player in the NHL, but I'd rather have a bunch of otherdefenseman prospects than him.

If I'm not mistaken its from the latest rankings that have both Gagner and Cogliano graduated.


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07-21-2008, 12:09 AM
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I looked up his stats on Internet Database and they seem to indicate that this guy has never really put up any number of points at any level in his hockey career.

NHL Powerplay QB seems kind of out of line for Ericsson.
The first time he played defense in his life was the season after he was drafted. He's a converted center. If you actually watch him play you'd see that he's still kinda raw but all the tools are there to be an elite player.

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07-21-2008, 12:15 AM
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From the Preds organization:

Cody Franson- I'm not entirely sold on him at this point, but he's got a high talent ceiling. Really needs to work on transition and playing a more physical game. Speed could also be an issue, maybe working with some heavier skates in the off-season could help him there.
Jon Blum- If he had Franson's size, he'd be our best defense prospect. I think he is anyway. He's got all the tools that Timonen had, plus a little extra tenacity. And he's put on 20 lbs. since draft day last year (now up to 180). He's gonna be a special player.
Teemu Laakso- A very rough-and-tumble defensive defenseman, just big enough to play the style he likes. He should really benefit from the transition to North American ice this fall and he could really turn some heads in the organization.

And of course, we picked up Josi in this year's draft, who looks like he has all the tools to be a really, really good offensive defenseman.

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07-21-2008, 01:28 AM
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Ellerby is nowhere near most of the other guys.
I disagree, he has all the tools, he will learn how to use them.

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07-21-2008, 02:02 AM
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The first time he played defense in his life was the season after he was drafted. He's a converted center. If you actually watch him play you'd see that he's still kinda raw but all the tools are there to be an elite player.
The road from AHL player to one of the best defencemen in the NHL is a pretty long one.

The guy is 24, so he basically needs the light to switch on right now to have a shot at it.

Guys like Kronwall, Bieksa, and Gilbert who have been somewhat late bloomers to break out in the NHL all did way more in the AHL then Ericsson at the same age.

You have to wonder why he can't do more in the AHL if he possesses elite talent.

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The road from AHL player to one of the best defencemen in the NHL is a pretty long one.

The guy is 24, so he basically needs the light to switch on right now to have a shot at it.

Guys like Kronwall, Bieksa, and Gilbert who have been somewhat late bloomers to break out in the NHL all did way more in the AHL then Ericsson at the same age.

You have to wonder why he can't do more in the AHL if he possesses elite talent.
Kronwall's also played on a stacked Griffins team in his first few years in the AHL. Last years Griffin's were had absolutely no depth at forward and Ericsson put up good enough stats to make the AHL all-star team.

Did his numbers blow you away? No. But I highly doubt that the Wings would be coveting the guy so much if he was going to be some scrub. The Wings scouts, management, head coach, whom I think know a little more than you and I and everyone here, are incredibly high on the guy.

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Sanguinetti is considered a very high Offensive D-Man Rangers prospect, should be exciting to see his growth in next few year. *Crosses fingers and hopes for a Leetch*

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Ryan Mcdonagh is the Habs top D prospect. Considered a poor mans Nidermayer.
McDonagh is nothing like Nidermayer and I'd be surprised if his game ever resembled anything close to that of Nidermayer's.

But for a team, the Habs imo should be among the top teams in the league for D prospects, as they are loaded with RD's. They do lack the top notch D prospect, but they have a ton of quality, interesting prospects.

Both PK Subban and Yannick Weber have been great in the OHL. Mathieu Carle has been impressive in the Q and AHL. Pavel Valentenko was likely Hamilton's top defensemen in his rookie year. Alexei Emelin and Konstantin Korneev have been good in Russia. McDonagh had a solid freshman year, David Fischer has been decent in the NCAA. And Ryan O'Byrne will be a full time NHLer next season.

Plus they have some decent long shots like Philippe Paquet, Nichlas Torp, Greg Pateryn and Joe Stejskal could turn into something down the road. Of course not all of them, but they could easily have a couple turn into good NHLers imo.


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Niskanen
Grossman
Fistric
Vishnevskiy

Dont know if you want to consider Niskanen,Grossman and Fistric prospects but if so here is what Dallas has to offer.

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What do you think, when Jack Johnson's, Marc Eduoard Vlasic, Matt Niskanen, Anton Stralman, etc, names wern't put on it either.
Well I remembered Brian Lee from the sweep of the Senators, but I didn't know how little he played during the regular season.

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The road from AHL player to one of the best defencemen in the NHL is a pretty long one.
True story.

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The guy is 24, so he basically needs the light to switch on right now to have a shot at it.
The guy has only played defense full-time for 2 years. He was a call-up for 8 games this year when Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall were all hurt, and played 18+ minutes a game, and outperformed every other defenseman on the team. The guy is an NHL-quality defenseman.

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Guys like Kronwall, Bieksa, and Gilbert who have been somewhat late bloomers to break out in the NHL all did way more in the AHL then Ericsson at the same age.
He's only played defense for two years and has improved his play and point totals every year. Ericsson played center in the SEL, Hakan Andersson went to see him for a game and he had been moved to defense due to injury. Hakan liked what he saw, and as soon as Ericsson came here he was put on defense. He's the ultimate project. They saw his raw skills, brought him over, broke him down, and put him back together again. His stats are pointless and, IMO, you won't be able to really judge him until this year.

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You have to wonder why he can't do more in the AHL if he possesses elite talent.
See above.

The projections for Ericsson in this thread are way off, though. He projects as a top-4 guy with top-2 upside. He has a chance at being elite, but will most likely be a very solid defenseman who will put up 30-40 points and 100+ PIMs at the NHL level. He's what Andreas Lilja dreams he could be.

The chance of Ericsson being a top-2 is probably 10%, the chance of him being top-4 is 60%, and the chance of him being a bust is 30%. Not bad for a guy drafted dead last.

Ericsson is a guy who could potentially be a top-10 per year guy in terms of goals, hits, blocked shots, and PIMs. He could also be a bust. But from what he has shown in the last two years, you cannot analyze him based on stats. The guy's career basically started two years ago in GR.

Red Wings fans and Wings brass are VERY excited about this guy, especially since we have a player with equal but less likely top upside in Jakub Kindl. The Red Wings group of defensive prospects is heavily underrated as we have possible top-2 guys in Smith, Kindl, and Ericsson all looking at NHL play over the next 4 years.

Ericsson hits like a train, fights, boasts an average slapshot in the high 90s, and skates like a guy 6 inches shorter. He's above-average positionally and makes few boneheaded mistakes. He is still learning the two-way defensive game and is already posting more points per year at a higher level of play than at any other time in his career. It's easy to be excited about the possibilities.

And if he busts, no big loss, as he was basically a throwaway pick in an experiment that just happens to be going well. We still have Rafalski, Kronwall, and Stuart locked up until the mid 2010s...


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I disagree. Holland wouldn't have resigned him if there wasn't a role for him. At the moment, we are fully stocked with good defensemen. Many of our guys would be top 2 and top 4 on other teams... If they didn't think he would, he wouldn't be here.
And Holland wouldn't have given him a 3 year oneway contract if he didn't think there was a role for him to play.

Comparing him with Lidström is still a tad premature, but maybe we can get ourself another Niklas Kronwall?

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Stralman's going to be great. Mark my words.

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True story.



The guy has only played defense full-time for 2 years. He was a call-up for 8 games this year when Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall were all hurt, and played 18+ minutes a game, and outperformed every other defenseman on the team. The guy is an NHL-quality defenseman.



He's only played defense for two years and has improved his play and point totals every year. Ericsson played center in the SEL, Hakan Andersson went to see him for a game and he had been moved to defense due to injury. Hakan liked what he saw, and as soon as Ericsson came here he was put on defense. He's the ultimate project. They saw his raw skills, brought him over, broke him down, and put him back together again. His stats are pointless and, IMO, you won't be able to really judge him until this year.



See above.

The projections for Ericsson in this thread are way off, though. He projects as a top-4 guy with top-2 upside. He has a chance at being elite, but will most likely be a very solid defenseman who will put up 30-40 points and 100+ PIMs at the NHL level. He's what Andreas Lilja dreams he could be.

The chance of Ericsson being a top-2 is probably 10%, the chance of him being top-4 is 60%, and the chance of him being a bust is 30%. Not bad for a guy drafted dead last.

Ericsson is a guy who could potentially be a top-10 per year guy in terms of goals, hits, blocked shots, and PIMs. He could also be a bust. But from what he has shown in the last two years, you cannot analyze him based on stats. The guy's career basically started two years ago in GR.

Red Wings fans and Wings brass are VERY excited about this guy, especially since we have a player with equal but less likely top upside in Jakub Kindl. The Red Wings group of defensive prospects is heavily underrated as we have possible top-2 guys in Smith, Kindl, and Ericsson all looking at NHL play over the next 4 years.

Ericsson hits like a train, fights, boasts an average slapshot in the high 90s, and skates like a guy 6 inches shorter. He's above-average positionally and makes few boneheaded mistakes. He is still learning the two-way defensive game and is already posting more points per year at a higher level of play than at any other time in his career. It's easy to be excited about the possibilities.

And if he busts, no big loss, as he was basically a throwaway pick in an experiment that just happens to be going well. We still have Rafalski, Kronwall, and Stuart locked up until the mid 2010s...
The only reason why Ericsson is not on the Wings roster is that he is still learning the position. As stated above, he was a forward for most of his formative years and has benn playing D for only a few seasons. He still has lots to learn. That being said, he has all the tools. He has speed, skill and smarts. Right now the blueline is the strength of the Wings dept chart. They are so deep, they will carry 8 guys on the roster (Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lilja, Lebda, Chelios(who will be # 8) and one of Meech or Quincey. As Ericsson can still be sent to the minors without having to clear waivers, he is destined for one more year in GR. There he will be on the first pair(with Kindl) and play in all situations, including PP and PK. He's on the big team in 09/10 and will be capable of winning a future Norris Throphy or two.

I was holding my breath since July 2(when the Wings signed Hossa taking up a lot of the available cap space remaining) afraid that some other team would make him an offer that the Wings could not afford to match. And to add to all this defensive talent, the Wings have two more dmen in the pipeline that are almost guaranteed to make the NHL. They are Brendan Smith(playing in the NCAA) who skates like the wind and reminds people of Scott Neidermeyer and Logan Pyett who is a carbon copy of Brian Rafalski.

Ken Holland and his brain thrust of Bowman, Nill and Yzerman believe that the core of a Championship team is on the blueline, which is why the Wings spend over $20,000,000 on their top 4 dmen(Lidstrom-$7,450,000/Rafalski-6,000,000/Stuart-3,750,000/Kronwall-3,000,000).

I love being a Wings fan.

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