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07-20-2008, 01:50 AM
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I didn't realize Forsberg....

...dominated in his return to COL.

I just checked, he had a 1.56 ppg in the 9 games he played. 1 goal, 13 assists. Pretty great numbers, too bad he didn't stay healthy.

Where does he rank among the greats of Swedish hockey?

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07-20-2008, 01:55 AM
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...dominated in his return to COL.

I just checked, he had a 1.56 ppg in the 9 games he played. 1 goal, 13 assists. Pretty great numbers, too bad he didn't stay healthy.

Where does he rank among the greats of Swedish hockey?
in his prime, probably around the top 5.

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07-20-2008, 02:07 AM
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yeah its obvious he hasnt lost a step when he was back, but hes just not healthy enough to make a big difference to a team in the long run. but for the avs, a dose of forsberg halfway through the season would be huge for them, especially if he gets his ankles finally fixed, which is looking like it might

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My dream is to see Forsberg have one more successful season... too bad the odds for my dream to become real are not very good now

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in his prime, probably around the top 5.
No. He is exactly the second best swede ever. Hes got a Hart, an Art Ross and a Calder but Lidström got 6 Norris thropies and a Conn Smythe

You could make a case for Salming, Hedberg, Nilsson, Sundström, Sundin, Näslund*2 etc. but they all miss the necessary NHL hardware.


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Definately above sundin.. I've never understood the jones some poster have for him. Nice player.. big, decent skater yet how maany nhl awards? first teams? has he EVER been declared the best player in the nhl for even ONE game?

sheesh!

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in his prime, probably around the top 5.
Clearly the best forward, and close to the best all around player with Lidstrom edging him out.

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in his prime, probably around the top 5.
He's #1 or #2, either above or below Lidstrom. Had he been healthy his entire career though, he'd no doubt be the best.

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in his prime, probably around the top 5.
Are you serious? Him and Lidstrom are above the rest. Sundin and Salming not far behind.

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Definately above sundin.. I've never understood the jones some poster have for him. Nice player.. big, decent skater yet how maany nhl awards? first teams? has he EVER been declared the best player in the nhl for even ONE game?

sheesh!
Forsberg is clearly ahead of Sundin when you compare the two players nhl careers. A lot of swedish fans have a soft spot for Sundin though because of his international performance. He always seems to step it up when playing for Tre Kronor in some tournaments when the team is playing really, really bad he's still doing good. a good example is the world cup in 2004 when Sweden was horrible and Sundin still put up a point per game. his iihf stats are pretty neat...

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=467

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Definately above sundin.. I've never understood the jones some poster have for him. Nice player.. big, decent skater yet how maany nhl awards? first teams? has he EVER been declared the best player in the nhl for even ONE game?

sheesh!
I think his international play redeems his lack of NHL hardware.

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Definately above sundin.. I've never understood the jones some poster have for him. Nice player.. big, decent skater yet how maany nhl awards? first teams? has he EVER been declared the best player in the nhl for even ONE game?

sheesh!
Sundin is more an example of longevity and reliability. There's hardly a more dependable player in the last 15 years than Mats Sundin. I would still rank Forsberg above him, but that's because Forsberg was great, not a fault of Sundin's.

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1. Lidstrom
2. Forsberg
3. Sundin
4. Zetterberg (with potential to jump in the top 2)

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Definately above sundin.. I've never understood the jones some poster have for him. Nice player.. big, decent skater yet how maany nhl awards? first teams? has he EVER been declared the best player in the nhl for even ONE game?

sheesh!
If you look up the word consistency in the dictionary, a picture of Mats Sundin is sitting next to it. You can all but guarentee from year to year he will put up 30 goals and 75 points. That is why Sundin is regarded as one of the best, but doesn't have the hardware to back him up. He does the little things on the ice that you don't win awards for.

Addition: I just did the math, and if you take out the 1994 season that was locked out for half the year (taken out because it will skew statistics), over Mats Sundin's 16 years in the NHL he has averaged 79 games played per season while averaging 79 points per season.


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Speaking of, is he going to try to play again this year or is he done (again)?

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Speaking of, is he going to try to play again this year or is he done (again)?
Check this thread.

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As much as I hate Forsberg, I never understood why COL media and some fans were blaming Forsberg as a distraction during Wings series.

Forsberg looked little disappointed from the reaction.. who knows if he will be back next season after what he went through. Maybe he will goto another city.

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Forsberg looked little disappointed from the reaction.. who knows if he will be back next season after what he went through. Maybe he will goto another city.
He stated in his summer interview that if he plays it will most likely be in Denver.

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He stated in his summer interview that if he plays it will most likely be in Denver.
Ya, i mean i think he has a girlfriend in Denver, he'd never leave the Aval...

nevermind.

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Ya, i mean i think he has a girlfriend in Denver, he'd never leave the Aval...

nevermind.
And he turned down Detroit this year.

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And he turned down Detroit this year.
He has turned everyone down, including Denver, stating that he will not look at any contracts until he knows if the new training regime for his wonky foot is going to work.

But has stated at the same time that Denver remained closest at hand should he be able to play come Xmas or so.

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He has turned everyone down, including Denver, stating that he will not look at any contracts until he knows if the new training regime for his wonky foot is going to work.

But has stated at the same time that Denver remained closest at hand should he be able to play come Xmas or so.
I was saying during the past season. Deffinately also rejected Vancouver and a few others.

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1. Lidstrom
2. Forsberg
3. Sundin
4. Zetterberg (with potential to jump in the top 2)



If you look up the word consistency in the dictionary, a picture of Mats Sundin is sitting next to it. You can all but guarentee from year to year he will put up 30 goals and 75 points. That is why Sundin is regarded as one of the best, but doesn't have the hardware to back him up. He does the little things on the ice that you don't win awards for.

Addition: I just did the math, and if you take out the 1994 season that was locked out for half the year (taken out because it will skew statistics), over Mats Sundin's 16 years in the NHL he has averaged 79 games played per season while averaging 79 points per season.
Zetterberg hasn't surpassed Salming yet. I wouldn't rate Sundin ahead of him either.

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Zetterberg hasn't surpassed Salming yet. I wouldn't rate Sundin ahead of him either.
Nah, I agree on this one.

Lidström is, after suddenly popping up in public awareness after Turin-2006, the only one who I think would rank higher than Salming in Swedish eyes.

Sundin&Forsberg close behind.

The young ones, Z, Lundqvist & al will have to wait at least 10 years before they reach that level.

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forsberg is my favorite player of all time and the reason i started to watch hockey w/his performance in the 94 olympics.

that said, i have him at #2 behind lidstrom. just because of the minutes lid logs and all he has done.

for the poster that said lidstrom had a con smyth and foppa does not. i would point to the playoffs when forsberg came back after missing the entire season. he then put up a sick 27 points in the playoffs. the clutch and grab playoffs. they didn't make the finals that year and he was still being mentioned as a possible con smyth winner.

so many games i watched he would have 2 and 3 guys laying on him. i would have loved to see what a line of deadmarsh-forsberg-drury could do in todays NHL. oh well....

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Lidström
Forsberg
Salming
Sundin
Lindbergh

I agree with the "Sundin is the definition of consistency" comment posted earlier.

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