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07-22-2008, 10:06 PM
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Ever heard of alphabets? Guess which team comes first alphabetically?

Oh yeah. Just another devilish plan to make Lowe look like an idiot, yeah that's it.

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Calgary should be done before Colorado, then. ...
Hey Pepper could you please tag and send McLovin back into the ring, atleast he can understand this ...

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You can't see the pattern there? It's very much in alphabetical order, but they alternate the divisions. It goes Pacific, Southeast, Central, Northeast, Northwest, Atlantic and it's alphabetical for each 5 teams in the division. The reason Boston doesn't come after Atlanta is because they clearly wanted to alternate Western conference divisions and Eastern conference division. Other than that it is very much in alphabetical order.
oh nevermind, why dont you both leave.

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07-22-2008, 11:19 PM
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Burke got Lowe back. He signed Troy Bodie (Oilers 9th round pick in the 2003 draft) to a 1 year deal!

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?servi...ticleid=368880


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07-22-2008, 11:22 PM
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Burke got Lowe back. He signed Troy Bodie (Oilers 9th round pick in the 2003 draft) to a 1 year deal!

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?servi...ticleid=368880

Not Troy Bodie!!!! He's gonna be a star!

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Burke got Lowe back. He signed Troy Bodie (Oilers 9th round pick in the 2003 draft) to a 1 year deal!

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?servi...ticleid=368880

Cryin' Burke sure knows how to get his revenge -- so subtle.

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07-22-2008, 11:47 PM
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According To Irish Blue's cap site, the Ducks are over cap.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=ANA
So? Has anyone claimed anything different? Sheesh, pay attention.

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Burke did gut the Canucks. He pretty much depleted just about all the prospects down on the farm and traded away many draft picks to get the team he had on the ice (pre-lockout). Ownership at the time mandated a 'budget' (a salary cap before there was a salary cap) for Burke. You can say this about Burke, he put butts in the seats and made the ownership money. However, the cost was that he depleted the farm and left Nonis with a HUGE mess.
name the solid prospects that Burke just up and moved that would have helped the Canucks. The fact is Nonis was a bad gm who lived off of one trade.

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So? Has anyone claimed anything different? Sheesh, pay attention.
Nobody has claimed they aren't under the cap. However, every ducks fan who's posted here has tried to skirt the issue of the cap by saying "It's not the cap number, it's what salary is paid." Well, that's fine and good when you're talking about the teams self imposed $50M cap, but not when it comes to the leagues cap.

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Nobody has claimed they aren't under the cap. However, every ducks fan who's posted here has tried to skirt the issue of the cap by saying "It's not the cap number, it's what salary is paid." Well, that's fine and good when you're talking about the teams self imposed $50M cap, but not when it comes to the leagues cap.
Nobody has claimed they aren't under the cap? I think that's pretty obvious, why would someone need to "claim" that?

Ducks are currently over the cap and will have to make moves the get under it. However when they are under the cap, their cap number means nothing and their actual salary number is the one they'll keep an eye on.

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07-23-2008, 12:43 AM
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Burke did gut the Canucks. He pretty much depleted just about all the prospects down on the farm and traded away many draft picks to get the team he had on the ice (pre-lockout). Ownership at the time mandated a 'budget' (a salary cap before there was a salary cap) for Burke. You can say this about Burke, he put butts in the seats and made the ownership money. However, the cost was that he depleted the farm and left Nonis with a HUGE mess.
I don't understand this mentality. The Canucks after Burke left were hardly a mess. It was still the same core of players that were division winners. If you want to talk about GMs that left their team in messes, talk about Keenan in Florida or that bum in Toronto. Burke left Nonis with a decent team. And this is coming from a Flames fan.

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A decent team with a very poor prospect depth is what Burke left behind. He will do the same in Anahiem when he leaves next year.

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A decent team with a very poor prospect depth is what Burke left behind. He will do the same in Anahiem when he leaves next year.
Not really, since Anaheim's prospect pool isnt poor at all.

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Not really, since Anaheim's prospect pool isnt poor at all.
*sigh* We just went over this.

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I don't agree with Burke when it comes to the way he has handled himself regarding Lowe, but otherwise I generally like the spice that Burke brings to the league and really like the concept of a team leading the league in PIMs/fights and winning the Cup in the same season.

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I don't understand this mentality. The Canucks after Burke left were hardly a mess. It was still the same core of players that were division winners. If you want to talk about GMs that left their team in messes, talk about Keenan in Florida or that bum in Toronto. Burke left Nonis with a decent team. And this is coming from a Flames fan.
Burke depleted any semblance of prospects on the farm. He hardly left Nonis with a decent team.

The problem in Florida wasn't Keenan's fault. They had terminal incompetence running rampant in the Front Office long before Keenan got to the Panthers.

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I also heard that also from McKenzie and TSN. I believe the basis was that they wouldn't allow the cushion because there couldn't be carry over if the CBA is terminated on Sept 09. Which makes perfect logical sense.

But then when I looked into the CBA, and I don't see this. There's provisions for no "carry over" in 09-10, but it seems to indicate that 08-09 is treated the same way. I invite any lawyers to help decode this.


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(A) For the 2009-10 League Year, all of the above-described
Performance Bonuses that could be earned by the Players
under SPCs with a Club shall be counted against such
Club's Upper Limit for that League Year (with no
opportunity for the Clubs to "carry over" any charges to
their Upper Limit for the following League Year), unless
the NHLPA declines to terminate this Agreement as of
September 15, 2009, consistent with Section 3.1(b) of this
Agreement, in which case accounting for the above described
Performance Bonuses in the 2008-09 League
Year shall be treated as set forth in paragraph (ii) above.

(paragraph ii is where they first describe how things have been the past couple of seasons, with a cushion and carry-over).

Now honestly it seems like a typo to me (the bold part should read 08-09 to match with the 08-09 written at the bottom of the paragraph), because McKenzie's description makes more sense. If the NHLPA declines, then there is no 09-10 league year, so it's 08-09 that should be affected. But the CBA says it's the 09-10 league year that's affected.

Both the CBA in the NHL.com site and the NHLPA site say it this way. Also if there was a typo, then there should be another section saying the same thing for 09-10, but there isn't.

I think someone screwed up, but as it's written now I think there should be a cushion and carryover.
There is a typo in the bolded part of the CBA that you refer to.

In 2009-2010, there is only about $300K difference between the salary and the Ducks are at $31M with 8 players signed. Everyone else on the current roster is a UFA and Salcido is an RFA. There's not a lot of room here especially when you are looking at typically about $15-18M to fill out a second line and #2,3 defense.


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Burke depleted any semblance of prospects on the farm. He hardly left Nonis with a decent team.
This claim is thrown very often here so I'd like to hear which prospects Burke traded away?

Sedins are still there, Kesler is there, Bieksa is there, Allen was traded by Nonis...Umberger is the only notable player Burke traded away.

Or are you just talking about Burke's drafting here?

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