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09-14-2008, 03:59 PM
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Chere at the age he is right now, make Jagr look like Betts defensivly... (seriously)

He puts himself above the defensive side of the game (5 on 5).

Its early in the season and too early to start drawing any conclusions -- but what I've seen of Chere so far in 2 games have not been very positive. Sure he is talented, slick, skilled and everything -- but he won't even get close with that alone in the game of hockey anno 2008. Its not too late for him to pick it up -- but he could be heading the same direction as Pavel Brendl at this pt. First of all he needs to become stronger and more explosive, and he needs to correct allot of attitude problems on the ice. One aspect that worrys me is that he almost a worse skater now then he was when he was younger. Like he have grown and become taller -- but his core strength seems to have fallen behind a tad because he doesn't have the same agility as he had when he was younger. Like when he trys to make his patent direction changes that he had so much success with as a junior these days, he often looses his footing. But his straight away speed seems to have become better.

Anyway, its far to early to tell anything for sure. The KHL is a good league and Cherepanov is showing allot of glimpses of the natrual skill level he got at that level. However Chere is a 87', he will soon be 22 y/o. Like its time for him to start moving now. Its not good enough to be god awful in allot of aspect, and only "talented" offensivly.
He will soon be 22?

He is only 19. He was born in 89. Not 87.

And his agility has gotten worse? No, it has gotten better.

He may not be good defensively, but let's not stretch here to make it seem like he has taken steps backward, when in fact it is the opposite. He has been taking steps forwards. He has increased his work ethic off the ice, and has become more mature in interviews.

Maybe the TEAM he is on is taking strides backward. Maybe they aught to not focus on having Jagr on the ice the entire game and have something of a team concept. Something the Rangers wanted to accomplish this year, and they took the necessary steps to do so. The fact that Omsk fired their coach only several games into the season speaks volumes.

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09-16-2008, 11:11 AM
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Also on Cherepanov, its not that he is bad defensivly in itself thats negative -- its the reason for why he isn't good defensivly thats not good. He puts himself above the defensive aspects of the game.

Also, on Chere not taking steps forward -- its basically the same thing as with Koprikoski. If we are talking finetuning -- sure he have improved some. But if we want this kid to become like top 3 in his year group; which he generally got to be if he wants to score 70+ pts in the NHL -- he got to take several big steps.

Cherepanov IMO is comparable with Niklas Bäckström. Both put up equall numbers in the WJC's at a very young age. Both aren't physical mega talents like AO/Malkin and Crosby, but they are tremendously skilled -- got that little extra. Compared to Bäckström Cherepanov is developing at a ultra slowmo speed. And sure Bäckström have been great in the NHL -- but its not like he is looking like the next Forsberg either.

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09-16-2008, 01:37 PM
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Also on Cherepanov, its not that he is bad defensivly in itself thats negative -- its the reason for why he isn't good defensivly thats not good. He puts himself above the defensive aspects of the game.

Also, on Chere not taking steps forward -- its basically the same thing as with Koprikoski. If we are talking finetuning -- sure he have improved some. But if we want this kid to become like top 3 in his year group; which he generally got to be if he wants to score 70+ pts in the NHL -- he got to take several big steps.

Cherepanov IMO is comparable with Niklas Bäckström. Both put up equall numbers in the WJC's at a very young age. Both aren't physical mega talents like AO/Malkin and Crosby, but they are tremendously skilled -- got that little extra. Compared to Bäckström Cherepanov is developing at a ultra slowmo speed. And sure Bäckström have been great in the NHL -- but its not like he is looking like the next Forsberg either.
How is Cherepanov developing at "slowmo speed?" He is 19 years old. And has been a pro hockey player, not Junior level, since he was 17. One would be hard pressed to find many 19 year olds who are fully developed.

Have you seen his team? They play no defense. Its terrible. They look like the Mighty Ducks movie before coach Bombay came along.

If he was in an organization that cared anything about developing its young players, he would have gained more knowledge about the defensive side of the game. But that is not his job with Avangard. His job is to put the puck in the net. They could care less about his development. They care about Jagr being the face of the organization. Not about Cherepanov learning proper positioning and how to block pucks.

Once he crosses the Atlantic, OUR coaching staff and OUR system will develop him properly.

You know i always respect your opinions Ola, but i can't agree on this one.

The single most common trait will all of these young players, is that they need to improve on the defensive side of the game. He is not behind the curve at all. He has the skills that CAN'T be taught, and that is how to score goals and offensive instincts. The defensive side of the game and proper positioning being in passing lanes, all of that can be taught. You can't teach talent.

Fortunately for us, we have the right coach to bring him along. Renney is patient with his players and he will drill defense into Cherepanov's brain until it becomes second nature.

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09-16-2008, 03:50 PM
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Supersonic- No problem with dissagreeing; I hope you are right and its not unlikely at all and that I am wrong. Cherry have been injured and its early in the year and everything.

But, no matter if its Cherry's fault, or Cherry's coaching staffs fault, or Cherry's teams fault -- the hockey world today is so close that Cherry can't come knocking on the door when he is soon to be 21 y/o and expect to make up for lost ground. These days the hockeyworld is so close that inorder to become a star you have to have the best talent AND work the hardest.

Now, Cherry is probably better now then a third of the players in the first round of his draft year ever will be. Don't get me wrong -- Cherry could probably step right in to the NHL and create some offense. But from the point he is right now -- to the point he needs to be in order to be a 70+ pt player, there is a long long way to go. And in the world of hockey today, you don't travel that distance unless you work extremely hard, harder then everyone else et c.

I am sure Cherepanov got much better workethic then say Alex Bourret, and is developed 10x as good in Omsk then Bourret managed to develop himself/was developed in HFD -- but its up to Cherry to not only show up and do whats expcted, he needs to do 10x as much.

There is still plenty of time for Cherry, but he haven't at this time shown me that he is gooing in the right direction.

Also, like I said, I am not worried about his defense, I am worried about why he can't play defense. He can't play defense because he doesn't care -- if he were a soccer star he would be normal, but among hockeyplayer he is DIVAish -- like that is undisputable. Its don't have to be a big problem; like he might pull it together the second he steps off the plane in NA. However its one of many factors that he needs to work on.

And I am also pretty sure/afraid of that Cherry will have a very short timefram in NY to get his act together. He won't stay in the AHL for 3 years like Korpikoski. THere will be a ton of attention on him, there will be allot of attention from media -- and from other teams. He is already a big name, a very big name actually. In a hurry things could turn real ugly if he shows up in the NHL without beeing in great shape, without having a fundamental game to stand on, with a diva attitude et c.


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09-16-2008, 03:57 PM
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But, no matter if its Cherry's fault, or Cherry's coaching staffs fault, or Cherry's teams fault -- the hockey world today is so close that Cherry can't come knocking on the door when he is soon to be 21 y/o and expect to make up for lost ground.
Cherepanov is 19. He won't be 20 until January.

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Yeah, so next season in NYR camp, he is soon to be 21...

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Didn't Omsk have a game today? Any results?

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Meanwhile, Omsk improved their record to 3-6 today with a 5-1 defeat of Lada Togliatti, which included the first goal of the season for Ranger prospect Alexei Cherepanov. We’ll have more on the game, including highlights and photos, later.
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Beyon.../~3/397349074/

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Question regarding the top junior leagues: are these players paid or compensated in any way?

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I think they get some kind of stipend in the CHL, and are probably "taken care of" in other ways that are kept under the table.

Dunno about european junior leagues...probably depends on the league

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Question regarding the top junior leagues: are these players paid or compensated in any way?
I don't know the exact details but like money that covers living expences during their CHL career -- then they can choose between a education or a sum of money after their CHL career.

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Cherepanov got his first goal of the season yesterday. http://video.hawk.ru/080919_ao_lada_5_1.wmv

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Cherepanov got his first goal of the season yesterday. http://video.hawk.ru/080919_ao_lada_5_1.wmv
Damnnn, what a sniper shot.

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awsome goal!

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Cherepanov got his first goal of the season yesterday. http://video.hawk.ru/080919_ao_lada_5_1.wmv
Damn...couldnt even see the puck move. Looks like it meant a lot to him...

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Cherepanov got his first goal of the season yesterday. http://video.hawk.ru/080919_ao_lada_5_1.wmv
Very Ovechkin like.

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Cherepanov scored again today, a point blank shot on a 5-on-3. That gives him 2 goals and 2 assists in 7 games.

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When did he pick up the other assist?

Good to see him starting to get it going again. Of course, it happens in games that I can't watch

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When did he pick up the other assist?

Good to see him starting to get it going again. Of course, it happens in games that I can't watch
Omsk played (and won) on Sunday and Cherepanov was credited with the secondary assist on a goal by Kuryanov. Jagr (who also scored today) had two goals in that game, including the OT winner, for those who are interested.

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He's getting it going now.

Great to hear.

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Cherepanov scored twice today in 3-2 win.

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Is there a box score anywhere?

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Cherepanov scored twice today in 3-2 win.
Did they change the scoring? The KHL play-by-play had one goal for Jagr, one for Kuryanov, and the third for Cherepanov.

http://online.khl.ru/online/21751.html

Edit to add: These also show 1 goal for Cherepanov:

http://www.allhockey.ru/news/36525/
http://www.championat.ru/hockey/_sup...tch/12070.html

Ah, found it. This shows Cherepanov with two goals:

http://allhockey.ru/khl/32/matches/216/

But it also says the game finished with a score of 3-1. The KHL web site has its faults, but in this case, I believe them over allhockey.


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Awesome to see Chere get it going!

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Any more video highlights? Hearing he's scored a goal is awesome, but watching it is better.

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