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07-24-2008, 10:00 PM
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Monster that murdered my friends found guilty!

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs...NTPAGECAROUSEL

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...guilty_in.html


About time. I was starting to get worried that he might get off on some silly technicality. I'm very glad justice was served.

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07-24-2008, 10:09 PM
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woah! you knew those guys?
It took 6 years....

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07-24-2008, 10:23 PM
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woah! you knew those guys?
It took 6 years....
Well, from the time they were caught it was 5 years. They weren't apprehended until November of 2003, almost a year after the murders. I really thought they would never be caught, so that they were caught and the ringleader found guilty is a relief.

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Always good to see justice served

I am very happy about this, and am glad for you

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Nice to see such a heavy sentence handed out to the *******; life behind bars is almost unheard of in Canada it seems.

Any word on the future of his accomplices? Obviously lesser crimes, but undoubtedly headed to jail, or at least some correctional facility in the case of the then-14 year old.

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Any word on the future of his accomplices?
Nothing yet. They will get reduced sentences for testifying but I don't know yet exactly how much reduced. I imagine we'll find out soon now that the trial is over.

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07-24-2008, 10:58 PM
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I don't think murderers can ever really be rehabilitated. Thieves, smugglers, dealers, arsonists, and so forth, maybe. They may have their reasons, they may have problems, etc. But murderers should never be set free, regardless of how sorry they may say they are or how well they behave. If you've killed once, you're probably going to do it again down the line.

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Always good to see justice served

I am very happy about this, and am glad for you
Same here man...

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Senseless act of violence, hope these guys get shanked in the Prsion Laundry room OZ style.

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I don't think murderers can ever really be rehabilitated. Thieves, smugglers, dealers, arsonists, and so forth, maybe. They may have their reasons, they may have problems, etc. But murderers should never be set free, regardless of how sorry they may say they are or how well they behave. If you've killed once, you're probably going to do it again down the line.
Once is enough really. It shouldn't be about whether it's going to happen again.

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Once is enough really. It shouldn't be about whether it's going to happen again.
Once is too much, of course, but laws should be pragmatic. Families and friends want vengeance, but the justice system/legislatures should be careful not to fall into the trap of morality and emotion. Sure it's easy to use morality to go against a murderer, and I don't think anyone can disagree with that, but using morality in criminal law can by itself lead to other things as well... and those other things may well end up costing the liberty of people who haven't harmed anyone.

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I don't think murderers can ever really be rehabilitated. Thieves, smugglers, dealers, arsonists, and so forth, maybe. They may have their reasons, they may have problems, etc. But murderers should never be set free, regardless of how sorry they may say they are or how well they behave. If you've killed once, you're probably going to do it again down the line.
I don't believe that, at all. If the murder was just for the "fun" of it, maybe, but a lot of young poor guys that end up killing someone in a robbery attempt or something stupid rarely had planned on actually killing. It is case by case, obviously, but serving time and using the correct rehabilitation program can produce very good citizens...unless of course, they were sentenced to life in the slammer. Then you see 70+ year old men who barely have the capacity to murder, sitting in a jail cell for something stupid they did 50 years ago.

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I don't believe that, at all. If the murder was just for the "fun" of it, maybe, but a lot of young poor guys that end up killing someone in a robbery attempt or something stupid rarely had planned on actually killing. It is case by case, obviously, but serving time and using the correct rehabilitation program can produce very good citizens...unless of course, they were sentenced to life in the slammer. Then you see 70+ year old men who barely have the capacity to murder, sitting in a jail cell for something stupid they did 50 years ago.
That's the difference between murder and manslaughter no? I used the term "murderer" ..

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Then you see 70+ year old men who barely have the capacity to murder, sitting in a jail cell for something stupid they did 50 years ago.
So....the person they killed never got to reach the age of 70. I have zero sympathy for any murderers.

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Senseless act of violence, hope these guys get shanked in the Prsion Laundry room OZ style.
If only, that would be a great form of justice...

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If you're this guy who's getting the rest of his life behind bars, would you rather die now or live out your life in jail?

What can I say, I'm a curious person.

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If you're this guy who's getting the rest of his life behind bars, would you rather die now or live out your life in jail?

What can I say, I'm a curious person.
Well if I had no possibility of getting out, I suppose I'd rather just die.

But then again, I'm not a murderer. I never even punched someone in my life.

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I don't believe that, at all. If the murder was just for the "fun" of it, maybe, but a lot of young poor guys that end up killing someone in a robbery attempt or something stupid rarely had planned on actually killing. It is case by case, obviously, but serving time and using the correct rehabilitation program can produce very good citizens...unless of course, they were sentenced to life in the slammer. Then you see 70+ year old men who barely have the capacity to murder, sitting in a jail cell for something stupid they did 50 years ago.
When man invented the gun the capacity to murder became a heartbeat and a hand.

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when i read the thread title I actually thought some sort of "monster" killed someone and went to court over it (I'm tired)

anyway, glad to see the ******* is going away for a long time.

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Well if I had no possibility of getting out, I suppose I'd rather just die.

But then again, I'm not a murderer. I never even punched someone in my life.
really? sometimes it's just necessary..

anyways, i would definitely rather die... i don't wanna be scared of dropping soap for the rest of my life...

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http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs...NTPAGECAROUSEL

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...guilty_in.html


About time. I was starting to get worried that he might get off on some silly technicality. I'm very glad justice was served.
Hey Event...

I'm originally from Parsippany and remember clearly when this happened. I've since moved away and didn't know they had caught the guys. That's great to hear...although it does not bring back your friend.

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when i read the thread title I actually thought some sort of "monster" killed someone and went to court over it (I'm tired)
Me too, I fully expected to see pictures of big foot testifying in front of a court room

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Good to see justice was finally served.

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really? sometimes it's just necessary..

anyways, i would definitely rather die... i don't wanna be scared of dropping soap for the rest of my life...
True, but it's very difficult to get into a fight with me when you meet me in person. If you provoke me I'm probably just going to try to tell you calmly to relax and take a deep breath and that there's no need to be hostile. I'm just like that. Sometimes people who are very aggressive with me calm down when they see I'm not responding to it. When was the last time you've seen me in a post call someone an idiot or anything like that? It's completely counter-intuitive for me

I always try to stay calm and stay away when I smell trouble.

Maybe this is why sometimes i have a hard time understanding when I see stories of murders and hijackings and things like that. I just don't "get" how people can do it. Someone showed me recently a security recording of two guys entering a gas station shop, stealing some twenty dollars from the register and shooting the attendant to death. While most people would get angry at something like that, my reaction was more like ... "what did I just see? Why would anyone do that?"

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