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07-27-2008, 09:11 PM
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Pretty good teams that can't win cause their goalie is average...

See Flyers, Philly..... from 95-today with the exception of the 06-07 season they have had a pretty good team every year, but have never won because of goaltending.

Give them a Patrick Roy or Brodeur and that team has 2 or more cups today IMO.

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07-27-2008, 09:14 PM
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Without looking, who was Brodeur's backup in the years he won the cup?

Most won't know.

That's the importance of a good goalie.
Peter Codnuckachuck?

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07-27-2008, 10:55 PM
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Pretty good teams that can't win cause their goalie is average...

See Flyers, Philly..... from 95-today with the exception of the 06-07 season they have had a pretty good team every year, but have never won because of goaltending.

Give them a Patrick Roy or Brodeur and that team has 2 or more cups today IMO.
Oh yes.

Legion Of Doom Flyers simply had no goalies. Hextall in his twilight, Esche and Cechmanek were the definition of the average goalie that defined Philly after Great Uncle Bernie, Lindbergh and Hextall in his prime.

Otherwise, Big E would have had his cup, and maybe more than one.

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Without looking, I'd say Terreri for the first, Terreri or Billington.

And the second, the black guy. I think. Or Clemmensen. Or Schwab.

You just don't know. I don't. Proof a guy like Brodeur is so BIG in hockey.

I can name skaters from those teams, many. But the backup? No way.


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07-27-2008, 11:03 PM
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The first post doesn't reflect what Holland actually said. The exact quote was:

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"My feeling is if you can get one of the five or six best goalies in the league you can spend the money," Holland said. "We can't get into those guys, and the difference between the eighth goalie in the league and the 15th goalie, it's a big difference in money. It's not a big difference in performance.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey...0,30056.column

So Carey Price, assuming he continues on the path he's started on, would be worth spending money on, according to Holland, because he would be one of the top goalies in the game.

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07-27-2008, 11:23 PM
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Price is a franchise goaltender. Someone like Thomas is a transitional figure who'll be forgotten in a few years. So will Fernandez, Toskala, and Huet. Théodore will be remembered longer because of his notoriety.

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07-28-2008, 10:37 AM
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Goalies are overrated. The Giants won the super bowl and they had no goalie.
Some would argue that they didn't have much of a quarterback either.

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07-28-2008, 11:40 AM
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So is Osgood suddenly great?

Depends of the system you're playing and the quality of the other members of the team.

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Detroit's GM has stated that Detroit has not paid big bucks for a goalie allowing cap room to be utilized in other area. Burke in Van and Clark in Philly were unsuccessful with that approach. Should this inform the Habs on how to build a winner? My opinion is that a Brodeur or a Luongo are worth it. Hopefully CPrice is similar in talent.
The goalie can make a pretty big difference. All you have to do is look at the Habs-Phillie series...Brodeur played over his head and our goaltending was shaky at best, it was the difference from a 5-6 game win to a 5 game loss. It's not just about the amount of goals, it's also the timing of them as they affect the confidence of a team.

Both Roy and Brodeur have won cups on teams that were average or slightly above. Teams like Detroit last year have won cups with only average goalies(Osgood) but you need a powerful team to do that. Last year Detroit had a great puck control team that took a lot of pressure off their goalie and overall defensive play.

Guys like Ward Giguere and Khabibulin have won cups also, all 3 were all-star calibre at that time but you would not put them as perennial all-stars and nowhere near the class of Roy/Brodeur.

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You can win with a ordinary goaltender. What is important is that he is at his top when the playoff starts and stays there throughout them.

Osggod might not be a big name goaltender but he won a cup before this year already and played great in the playoff for Detroit this year. He made some big saves at important moments.

You need goaltending to win cups and Detroit got it this year. In recent previous years with Hasek and Joseph, they did'nt get it and they did'nt win.
Osgood wasn't great these past playoffs. He provided Detroit with steady and solid goaltending. That was all they needed. He made a few big saves and didn't give up the back breaking bad goals that our guys gave up vs Boston and Phillie.

In the playoffs it's as much NOT giving up the horrendous goal that kills the team's psyche as it is stealing a game.


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07-28-2008, 02:47 PM
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Without looking, who was Brodeur's backup in the years he won the cup?

Most won't know.

That's the importance of a good goalie.
I remember it started with a T

tinordy? no

gosh my memory is bad!

Edit: found it, I won't say so others can play.. but your point is totally right!!
quality starting goalies are crucial... I mean.. how many times lately the goalie performance alone led us in the playoffs

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I remember it started with a T

tinordy? no

gosh my memory is bad!

Edit: found it, I won't say so others can play.. but your point is totally right!!
quality starting goalies are crucial... I mean.. how many times lately the goalie performance alone led us in the playoffs
Is it Chris Terreri?

I always loved that guy...

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Some would argue that they didn't have much of a quarterback either.
It appears the banana has been talking with my father.

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Is it Chris Terreri?

I always loved that guy...

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