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Rangers Prospect Poll #20

View Poll Results: #20
Vladimir Denisov (D) 2 3.33%
David Kveton (F) 12 20.00%
David Skokan (F) 12 20.00%
Chris Doyle (F) 3 5.00%
Max Campbell (F) 13 21.67%
Justin Soryal (F) 8 13.33%
Antoine Lafleur (G) 10 16.67%
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07-27-2008, 10:23 PM
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Rangers Prospect Poll #20

New York Rangers Prospect List



#1 -- Alexei Cherepanov (F) - Playing for Omsk Avangard (RSL) - Selected 17th Overall in the 2007 Draft
#2 -- Bobby Sanguinetti (D) - Played for the Brampton Battalion (OHL) - Drafted 21st overall in the 2006 Draft.
#3 -- Artem Anisimov (F) - Playing for Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 2nd round in the 2006 Draft.
#4 -- Lauri Korpikoski (F) - Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Selected 19th overall in the 2004 Draft.
#5 -- Michael Del Zotto (D) - Playing for the Oshawa Generals (OHL) - Selected 20th overall in the 2008 Draft.
#6 -- Evgeny Grachev (F) - Played for the Yaroslavl Lokomotiv (RSL) - Selected in the 3rd Round in the 2008 Draft.
#7 -- Michael Sauer (D) - Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 2nd round in the 2005 Draft.
#8 -- Derek Stepan (F) - Playing for the Wisconsin Badgers (NCAA) - Drafted in the 2nd round in the 2008 Draft.
#9 -- Dane Byers (F) - Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 2nd Round in the 2004 Draft.
#10 - Ryan Hillier (F) - Played for the Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL) - Drafted in the 3rd Round in the 2006 Draft.
#11 - Corey Potter (D) - Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 4th Round in the 2003 Draft.
#12 - Greg Moore (F) - Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 5th Round in the 2003 Draft by the Flames.
#13 - Carl Hagelin (F) - Playing for The Michigan Wolverines (NCAA) - Drafted in the 6th round in the 2007 Draft
#14 - Brodie Dupont (F) -Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 3rd Round in the 2005 Draft
#15 - Miika Wiikman (G) -Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Signed as a FA
#16 - Tomas Zaborsky (F) - Playing for the Saginaw Spirit (OHL) - Drafted in the 5th Round in the 2004 Draft.
#17 - Tom Pyatt (F) - Playing for the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL) - Drafted in the 4th Round in the 2005 Draft.
#18 - Mitch Gaulton (D) - Playing for the Erie Otters (OHL) - Drafted in the 6th Round in the 2008 Draft.
#19 - Tomas Kundratek (D) - Played for the Trinec Ocelari HC (CZH) - Drafted in the 3rd round in the 2008 Draft.





--We are ending at 20--


Added: Chris Doyle (F), Vladimir Denisov (D)

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No love for anyone here, but I'll go Skokan.

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--We are ending at 20--
Yeah, that was probably 5 too many. It's not particularly accurate referring to anyone below the top 15 as prospects. They are very, very, VERY long shots. The odds of them making it into the NHL and actually sticking around for a few years are very slim.

Essentially, we have 5 solid prospects (Sang, DZ, AA, Korps and Cherry) and another 10 marginal ones. After that, most of the "prospects" will spend their careers in the ECHL and most of those who'll actually make it into the AHL will be third liners there.

Tom Pyatt, for example, is a smallish forward who had 11 points in 44 games (0.25 ppg) as a 21 year old in Hartford. He's not exactly a big bodied future third liner and his numbers do not inspire me to believe that he's going to be a high scoring top-6 forward. In juniors too, he was less than a point per game player his first 3 years and in the final year had 83 points which is ok, but nothing special for a small forward.

And Pyatt is one of our top guys after the top-15. The rest inspire even less confidence. Zaborsky is a similar type of player, but had a worse OHL career, so I don't really get how he's ranked higher than Pyatt, but in any event, neither of them is likely to play a game in the NHL. Surprises can happen, but let's wait until they surprise us before we call them prospects.

P.S. Now watch angry Ranger fans attack me for not regarding some marginal prospect as a blue chipper.


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Yeah, that was probably 5 too many. It's not particularly accurate referring to anyone below the top 15 as prospects. They are very, very, VERY long shots. The odds of them making it into the NHL and actually sticking around for a few years are very slim.

Essentially, we have 5 solid prospects (Sang, DZ, AA, Korps and Cherry) and another 10 marginal ones. After that, most of the "prospects" will spend their careers in the ECHL and most of those who'll actually make it into the AHL will be third liners there.

Tom Pyatt, for example, is a smallish forward who had 11 points in 44 games (0.25 ppg) as a 21 year old in Hartford. He's not exactly a big bodied future third liner and his numbers do not inspire me to believe that he's going to be a high scoring top-6 forward. In juniors too, he was less than a point per game player his first 3 years and in the final year had 83 points which is ok, but nothing special for a small forward.

And Pyatt is one of our top guys after the top-15. The rest inspire even less confidence. Zaborsky is a similar type of player, but had a worse OHL career, so I don't really get how he's ranked higher than Pyatt, but in any event, neither of them is likely to play a game in the NHL. Surprises can happen, but let's wait until they surprise us before we call them prospects.

P.S. Now watch angry Ranger fans attack me for not regarding some marginal prospect as a blue chipper.
I respectfully disagree.


Look at some of the past polls. Like this one Callahan was ranked our 7th best prospect just as he came into the NHL. Dan Girardi was our 13th at the same time. He was just coming to the NHL and playing solid. Anisimov at that time was ranked our 9th best prospect and now he looks like he could be a good NHL player. People lower on the list do still improve and become solid players. To say that most of them will play not play above the ECHL is inaccurate. Are these guys locks? Of course not. But to just write them of is not very smart.

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That was then and this is now. There was a time when it made sense for us to go up to 30 prospects. But right now, we just don't have that kind of depth.

Partly it's because some prospects made it into the NHL (Staal, Dubi, Cally, Girardi, etc), others were moved (Monty) and several more became busts (Immo, Helminen, Olver, etc).

And look at what you wrote. Cally was #7. AA #9. Girardi #13. But who was #17 and below? None of them have much of a chance to make it to the NHL. Jessiman looks to be the best of the bunch and we all know about him.

Look at the list from 7/06, nobody below the top 15 made it into the NHL. Same for the list from 1/06 (Greg Moore still has a chance, but that's about it).

In 2005, we had some kids outside of the top 15 (Dubi being the most notable one), but that's because we got all those second rounders in the 2004 draft and that added a lot of quantity... which was unknown, so we ranked them low, as is expected of second liners. On occasion, a second rounder broke through. But again, that's because we had so many picks in the first couple of rounds, not to mention us ranking Jessiman, Immonen and Kondratiev as blue-chippers.

In 2004 and 2005, we had phenomenal prospect depth after the fire-sale. Unless we'll have another fire-sale, I doubt we'll have anyone outside the top 15 will turn into a solid NHLer. These are all very marginal players, very few of whom can bring back even the last round pick. Mostly, we are just looking at ECHLers here.


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I respectfully disagree.


Look at some of the past polls. Like this one Callahan was ranked our 7th best prospect just as he came into the NHL. Dan Girardi was our 13th at the same time. He was just coming to the NHL and playing solid. Anisimov at that time was ranked our 9th best prospect and now he looks like he could be a good NHL player. People lower on the list do still improve and become solid players. To say that most of them will play not play above the ECHL is inaccurate. Are these guys locks? Of course not. But to just write them of is not very smart.

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I don't know much about Campbell, Doyle and Co -- but they defenitly seem like extreme longshots.

I am gooing with Justin Soryal. IMO its as likely that Soryal will become a Matt Barnaby type of player; as it is that someone like Greg Moore will turn into a modern Brian Noonan type.

He got real potential -- his skating is horrible, thats really whats holding him back. If he can get that area fixed he would get allot closer.

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Skokan.

THis was a tough one for me... I like Kveton more than any of the other players on the list, but the fact that he's unlikely to come over stopped me from voting for him. From a pure talent standpoint, he'd be my pick. I also considered Soryal.

Had we kept going, I would have gone:

20. Skokan
21. Kveton
22. Soryal
23. Campbell
24. Lafleur
25. Doyle

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Skokan.

THis was a tough one for me... I like Kveton more than any of the other players on the list, but the fact that he's unlikely to come over stopped me from voting for him. From a pure talent standpoint, he'd be my pick. I also considered Soryal.

Had we kept going, I would have gone:

20. Skokan
21. Kveton
22. Soryal
23. Campbell
24. Lafleur
25. Doyle
voted for Skokan add doyle

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