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08-06-2008, 12:45 PM
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Always issues with teams opening abroad

Having games abroad in other countries is intriguing for many reasons. But take a look at how recent teams have fared after trips abroad.

Last fall when the Kings and Ducks opened in London the arena was full, loud and the games were pretty decent for October. But what happened to the champs when they got back to America? They dropped 4 out of their first 5, and 8 out of 11. They went on to play very, very good hockey going 44-20-6, but finished second in the division because of the slow start. They subsequently had to play a good team in the first round and got smoked. The Kings dropped 5 out of 6 after the trip.

The Red Sox after their trip to Japan and Oakland this year, returned to the east coast and went 2-5 before getting back to normal, even with a big gap in between games. And the Yankees in 2004 played a couple games with Tampa Bay in Tokyo. When the AL champs got back home they went 7-10, and worse they lost a bunch of guys, including Giambi for a prolonged period of time (steroids and Japanese food donít mix well) due to illness. Even the Giants lost their game after a European tripÖIím guessing the Dolphins did too. There arenít any success stories after these trips, or even average stories. Theyíre only issues for the team, and for the fans in America who have to put up with awful starts, bad television feeds, and odd start times to watch their teams first game of the season. Good for Prague and maybe the NHL, but its just issues for everyone else. On the NYR website, a poll asked fans what part of the new schedule they are most excited for. Prague by far had the least amount of votes. Iím with those guys.

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08-06-2008, 12:50 PM
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When the Rangers played in London in 1993 they won the Stanley Cup.

I agree, its ****** to have them open the season there, and more times than not it takes a huge toll on the players, but its just something the fans have to deal with and the players have to make the best out of.

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Ducks lost some major components from the Cup team and probably had a tough time adjusting early in the season.

Kings were a young team with no goaltending that probably would have played the same without going abroad.

As they say, a good road trip is a great chance for unfamiliar players to get acquainted. Hopefully, a full blown excursion across the globe does even more for the team.

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When the Rangers played in London in 1993 they won the Stanley Cup.

I agree, its ****** to have them open the season there, and more times than not it takes a huge toll on the players, but its just something the fans have to deal with and the players have to make the best out of.
I recall we started the 93-94 season slow as well after the trip.

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Having games abroad in other countries is intriguing for many reasons. But take a look at how recent teams have fared after trips abroad.

Last fall when the Kings and Ducks opened in London the arena was full, loud and the games were pretty decent for October. But what happened to the champs when they got back to America? They dropped 4 out of their first 5, and 8 out of 11. They went on to play very, very good hockey going 44-20-6, but finished second in the division because of the slow start. They subsequently had to play a good team in the first round and got smoked. The Kings dropped 5 out of 6 after the trip.

The Red Sox after their trip to Japan and Oakland this year, returned to the east coast and went 2-5 before getting back to normal, even with a big gap in between games. And the Yankees in 2004 played a couple games with Tampa Bay in Tokyo. When the AL champs got back home they went 7-10, and worse they lost a bunch of guys, including Giambi for a prolonged period of time (steroids and Japanese food donít mix well) due to illness. Even the Giants lost their game after a European tripÖIím guessing the Dolphins did too. There arenít any success stories after these trips, or even average stories. Theyíre only issues for the team, and for the fans in America who have to put up with awful starts, bad television feeds, and odd start times to watch their teams first game of the season. Good for Prague and maybe the NHL, but its just issues for everyone else. On the NYR website, a poll asked fans what part of the new schedule they are most excited for. Prague by far had the least amount of votes. Iím with those guys.
I just don't think there is enough data yet to come up with a definitive theory on the effects of opening abroad.

It may indeed hurt a team for a week or two but it better not turn into an excuse from the terminal whiners if the Rangers have a bad season although I have no doubt that there will be loads of threads claiming just that if the Rangers don't win it all.

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Ducks lost some major components from the Cup team and probably had a tough time adjusting early in the season.
What? You're saying that a Stanley Cup win hangover and the absence of Selanne and Niedermayer might have been more of an inluence than a little trip to Europe?? For teams frequently travelling as far as Anaheim and the Kings???

You jest, surely .

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I agree it would be a poor excuse.

And what odd start times? You have never watched a Rangers game at 1 PM EST before?

edit: ok so it's 12 PM, but the point remains. It's not like you have to get up at 5 am. Consider it a normal Sunday 1 PM game and what's the difference?

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The Giants also won the Super Bowl after their trip to Wembley, you know.

Granted it's different in football since it's only one game per week and the Stanley Cup Playoffs are a 2-month grind, but I don't think it's anything to worry about.

The Giants lost their next game but it was against a Cowboys team that had a really good season (until the playoffs of course ). I could see the Rangers getting off to a somewhat slow start, sending off a wave of panic throughout this board and then rebounding to get back on track.

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ehh... im not too worried about it

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When the Rangers played in London in 1993 they won the Stanley Cup.
Bingo!

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The Giants lost their next game but it was against a Cowboys team that had a really good season (until the playoffs of course ). I could see the Rangers getting off to a somewhat slow start, sending off a wave of panic throughout this board and then rebounding to get back on track.
Your lucky your a Ranger Fan

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In the case of the Kings and Ducks I don't think the Euro trip had much of an impact on their starts. The Ducks were without Niedermayer and Selanne, two of their best players, plus they just won the cup. So they were probably going to start slow no matter what.

And the Kings just sucked last year. They tied for the fewest amount of points in the league so a streak of 5 losses in 6 games isn't abnormal.

As for the Giants they had a bye the next week. They did lose their next game, but it was 2 weeks after they got back from London and it was against a better team at the time, Dallas. So I can't say going to London hurt the Giants, they could have played in Miami and still lose the same way 2 weeks later.

So basically I disagree with the original poster, except for the part about it sucking for the fans and players. But I guess it's good for the owners and the league, so we all have to deal with it.

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Correlation =/= causation

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Well in 1994 the Rangers played over seas. And the NY Giants also played over seas. And we know how that turned out.

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