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07-29-2008, 12:47 PM
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After Sept 15th McCabes salary is 4.15 million per year for 2 more years. He is a steal at that price given what Redden is getting albiet his cap hit is 5.75 million.
4.15 mill is not a steal for McCabe. Especially when you consider half the goals he scores, are on his own net. McCabe is by far the most overated defenseman in the league.

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His salary is ~6.1 dropping to 4.15 next year and the year after, and the cap hit is 5.75.

From the Canucks point of view I'd do this in a heartbeat - nothing against Pyatt, Cowan, or Pettinger, but they just don't fit into our plans anymore. We need a 2nd line center (Antropov), McCabe is an upgrade on Salo, and a promising young winger to boot?

Why does TO do this though?


Anyone who says Salo@3.5 > McCabe@5.75 is nuts. Since the lockout:

McCabe: 209 games played, 39 goals, 109 assists, 148pts. 40 goals if you count the one he put in his own net by accident...
Salo: 189 games played, 32 goals, 63 assists, 95 pts.

Career highs...

McCabe: 68pts
Salo: 37pts

Not to mention Salo has played 380 games less and is just 1 year older... Salo has averaged less than 60 games a season.

I love the guy but I'd rather have McCabe.
But you forgot to mention one major thing. Salo can actually play defense. That is after all the position. Might be a reason why he's never had a minus season in his entire career. Also a reason why he's always paired with a younger defensemen. Compared to McCabe who is always paired with a strong defender.

Last time I checked, points was a major argument when comparing forwards, not defenders. I'd have more confidence in Daniel Briere trying to stop my opponents from scoring than Bryan McCabe.


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at people taking this proposal seriously.

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But you forgot to mention one major thing. Salo can actually play defense. That is after all the position. Might be a reason why he's never had a minus season in his entire career. Also a reason why he's always paired with a younger defensemen. Compared to McCabe who is always paired with a strong defender.

Last time I checked, points was a major argument when comparing forwards, not defenders. I'd have more confidence in Daniel Briere trying to stop my opponents from scoring than Bryan McCabe.
So according to your logic Finger>Gonchar. Haha keep smoking bud.

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07-29-2008, 01:19 PM
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So according to your logic Finger>Gonchar. Haha keep smoking bud.
That didn't make sense at all. Finger's played 1 NHL season.... ....nice try though. "A" for effort.

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McCabe's cap hit is still 5.75M until his WHOLE contract is over. So why in the world do people keep bringing up the fact his salary goes down? Yeah we pay him less, but his cap it is higher than what we pay him and it stays the same as when he was wearing a Leafs jersey. This will make fans hate him more when he screws up or trips over a sheet of ice and injures himself knowing he takes up more cap space thanhe gets paid for

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As much as value-wise Toronto absolutely kills Vancouver in this deal, I still wouldn't do it because McCabe's part of the deal. Hell even if his salary wasn't taken into consideration I'd hate to have him on my team.

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But you forgot to mention one major thing. Salo can actually play defense. That is after all the position. Might be a reason why he's never had a minus season in his entire career. Also a reason why he's always paired with a younger defensemen. Compared to McCabe who is always paired with a strong defender.

Last time I checked, points was a major argument when comparing forwards, not defenders. I'd have more confidence in Daniel Briere trying to stop my opponents from scoring than Bryan McCabe.
I'm not going to argue this proposal because it's obviously garbage and people are being ridicously biased on both sides but I found this rather funny seeing as Toronto hasn't had a strong "defender" since they got rid of Ken Klee.

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I'm not going to argue this proposal because it's obviously garbage and people are being ridicously biased on both sides but I found this rather funny seeing as Toronto hasn't had a strong "defender" since they got rid of Ken Klee.
I should have rephrased that and said, "stronger" defender. Sorry, my bad.

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07-29-2008, 06:08 PM
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you mean salary?

toronto's good with the salary cap... no need to trade great assets in antropov and tlusty for crap.
Read my post. I said Salo>>>>>McCabe. I never said anything about antropov and tlusty idiot.

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4.15 mill is not a steal for McCabe. Especially when you consider half the goals he scores, are on his own net. McCabe is by far the most overated defenseman in the league.
Really, McCabe is overated? By who? Can you please find one non leafs fan that overate him. Leafs fans don't even overate him. 4.15 is an absolute steal for McCabe. A pp quarterback who logges 20 plus minutes a night. That's a good price for him. At 5.75 it's still not bad. Your obviously not a McCabe fan but your comments lack any knowledge. One goal on your own net happens. These things happen on occasion. I don't remember him doing this 5 to 10 times a year.

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Really, McCabe is overated? By who? Can you please find one non leafs fan that overate him. Leafs fans don't even overate him. 4.15 is an absolute steal for McCabe. A pp quarterback who logges 20 plus minutes a night. That's a good price for him. At 5.75 it's still not bad. Your obviously not a McCabe fan but your comments lack any knowledge. One goal on your own net happens. These things happen on occasion. I don't remember him doing this 5 to 10 times a year.
Ok, McCabe might not be overated, but he certainly is not a steal! Sure he puts up points, but he is definitely not worth the 5.75m cap hit on the Leafs roster. If he is such a steal, why would the leafs contemplate asking him to stay home for training camp?

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not to tip off the rest of the league to his greatness?

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Ok, McCabe might not be overated, but he certainly is not a steal! Sure he puts up points, but he is definitely not worth the 5.75m cap hit on the Leafs roster. If he is such a steal, why would the leafs contemplate asking him to stay home for training camp?
McCabe was overrated when he had that one big year and all the dumb ass leaf fans that look at points say "we have to sign him" and give him a crazy contract.

Finally, leafs fans see his downfall. Its not that his defense sucks. He is actually the #1 player on the leafs for killing Penalties.. explain that? The problem with McCabe is his puck control. Way too many giveaways that creates big time scoring chances. McCabe can throw his body around and deliver a lot of checks. He also has a big shot. So overall hes not that bad. (trust me I hate McCabe). His giveaways is what kills him. Salo on the other hand is what #4 for PK TOI . Cant remember nor am I going to look that up for you. Salo has been on some good teams. So please dont talk about +/-. By that, you think Tom Preissing last year was the greatest defensive dman. Hes not, he plays on a line with Spezza and Heatley that can outscore there opponents. Now, some may argue, good defense = we outscore the other teams line. That may be the case in a 5 on 5 scenario except PK.

Anyways, Toronto gets hosed in this deal. Id rather have every guy on Toronto then what you offered from Vancouver.

Now if you offered Edler, Hodgson for Antropov and McCabe id do that in a heart beat. And dont say that wont happen. Those trades always happen for teams that want to make a push to the playoffs and into the post season. Antropov right now is >>> Hodgson. And McCabe is > Edler. Edler had a great first half but died in the second. Toronto would do this as they are pushing towards a youth movement while Vancouver needs to win now with Luongo and Sedins. Which both the players can provide them a better chance. Maybe McCabe can help there PP.

Anyways when you want to include toronto on any trade remember that they want youth or they should be going for youth. Never know with the GMs.....

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McCabe is so underrated on this board.....C'mon, Give the guy a freakin' break.

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Now if you offered Edler, Hodgson for Antropov and McCabe id do that in a heart beat. And dont say that wont happen. Those trades always happen for teams that want to make a push to the playoffs and into the post season. Antropov right now is >>> Hodgson. And McCabe is > Edler. Edler had a great first half but died in the second. Toronto would do this as they are pushing towards a youth movement while Vancouver needs to win now with Luongo and Sedins. Which both the players can provide them a better chance. Maybe McCabe can help there PP.

Anyways when you want to include toronto on any trade remember that they want youth or they should be going for youth. Never know with the GMs.....
Well, going by that logic...

I'll offer Pyatt for Tlutsy because right now Pyatt>>> Tlutsy
and Krajicek for Schenn because obviously Krajicek>Schenn.

If we want to win, we won't do what your team did; only end up with no cup and no prospects.

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07-29-2008, 08:09 PM
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McCabe a better defensemen than Edler?....ok lets not get ridiculous here. For some reason Leaf fans can't get it into their head that there is more to being a defensemen than getting points.

Last time I checked every teamed rumoured to be talking to Vancouver over the past 2 years, wanted Edler in a deal with a substantial player going to Vancouver. On the other hand, McCabes name never comes up other than with Leaf fans. Nobody wants him.

As for Antropov being better than Hodgson right now. Well duh. Hodgson hasn't played a single NHL game. And neither has Stamkos for that matter. Antropov only took 10 years from draft day to put up decent NHL numbers. Which tells you last year's 26 goals and 56 points, as mediocre as it was, may have been a flash in the pan. Trading a top prospect for a guy that took 10 years to score 26 goals and 56 points would be flat out stupid.


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McCabe is so underrated on this board.....C'mon, Give the guy a freakin' break.
no point in talking logic on this board, people hate McCabe so it clouds their own judgment, the way he's talked about it sounds like he's a beer leaguer.... and honestly, compared to what people are being paid today, he's paid accordingly, give it up guys.

People forget who McCabe is a leader, top 4 dman, great PP guy, a solid tough player who stands up and is pretty durable. Everyone only remembers the Sabres goal , I mean no other Dman has ever turned the puck over or accidentally scored on his own net....


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McCabe a better defensemen than Edler?....ok lets not get ridiculous here. For some reason Leaf fans can't get it into their head that there is more to being a defensemen than getting points.

Last time I checked every teamed rumoured to be talking to Vancouver over the past 2 years, wanted Edler in a deal with a substantial player going to Vancouver. On the other hand, McCabes name never comes up other than with Leaf fans. Nobody wants him.

As for Antropov being better than Hodgson right now. Well duh. Hodgson hasn't played a single NHL game. And neither has Stamkos for that matter. Antropov only took 10 years from draft day to put up decent NHL numbers. Which tells you last year's 26 goals and 56 points, as mediocre as it was, may have been a flash in the pan. Trading a top prospect for a guy that took 10 years to score 26 goals and 56 points would be flat out stupid.
As a Canucks fan who happens to be a big Edler fan (I even have that jersey) lets not get ridiculous. Edler may be a stellar young defenceman but to say he's better than McCabe is laughable. Maybe in a few years, or even next year, but right now it's McCabe.....contracts aside...

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McCabe is an absolute steal. Quote me on this. Under Ron Wilson, McCabe will be a solid player, having 45+ points if he has PP time. This is ofcoarse assuming he stays with Toronto, and that he is generally healthy.

This is his season, and wherever he plays, he WILL bounce back.

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McCabe is an absolute steal. Quote me on this. Under Ron Wilson, McCabe will be a solid player, having 45+ points if he has PP time. This is ofcoarse assuming he stays with Toronto, and that he is generally healthy.

This is his season, and wherever he plays, he WILL bounce back.
Alright I will.

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If McCabe is so good,

why do Leafs fans always offer him away for a trade?

McCabe can't stick handle, can't play defense, he's a 4th liner who's a power play specialist at best, ie. Byron Ritchie.

face it, it's a fact.


oh and he's #1 pairing on PK, because.. well.. Toronto is just, that bad?

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McCabe was overrated when he had that one big year and all the dumb ass leaf fans that look at points say "we have to sign him" and give him a crazy contract.

Finally, leafs fans see his downfall. Its not that his defense sucks. He is actually the #1 player on the leafs for killing Penalties.. explain that? The problem with McCabe is his puck control. Way too many giveaways that creates big time scoring chances. McCabe can throw his body around and deliver a lot of checks. He also has a big shot. So overall hes not that bad. (trust me I hate McCabe). His giveaways is what kills him. Salo on the other hand is what #4 for PK TOI . Cant remember nor am I going to look that up for you. Salo has been on some good teams. So please dont talk about +/-. By that, you think Tom Preissing last year was the greatest defensive dman. Hes not, he plays on a line with Spezza and Heatley that can outscore there opponents. Now, some may argue, good defense = we outscore the other teams line. That may be the case in a 5 on 5 scenario except PK.

Anyways, Toronto gets hosed in this deal. Id rather have every guy on Toronto then what you offered from Vancouver.

Now if you offered Edler, Hodgson for Antropov and McCabe id do that in a heart beat. And dont say that wont happen. Those trades always happen for teams that want to make a push to the playoffs and into the post season. Antropov right now is >>> Hodgson. And McCabe is > Edler. Edler had a great first half but died in the second. Toronto would do this as they are pushing towards a youth movement while Vancouver needs to win now with Luongo and Sedins. Which both the players can provide them a better chance. Maybe McCabe can help there PP.

Anyways when you want to include toronto on any trade remember that they want youth or they should be going for youth. Never know with the GMs.....
I'm sure you would do that trade. I don't know why the canucks would do that though. McCabe and Antropov are exactly what the canucks need for a push for the playoffs!

No.... but in all seriousness, Vancouver does not need another defensive forward in Antropov, we have Kesler. And the Canucks certainly don't need McCabe either. We have got our PP defencemen in Salo and Bieksa.

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The only thing McCabe has got going for him, and the only reason why any GM would want him on their team is because of his shot.

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Ok, McCabe might not be overated, but he certainly is not a steal! Sure he puts up points, but he is definitely not worth the 5.75m cap hit on the Leafs roster. If he is such a steal, why would the leafs contemplate asking him to stay home for training camp?
The Leafs are NOT unloading McCabe because of his salary or cap hit, Toronto does NOT have any cap problems and obvioulsy has NO budget problems.

The only reason that Fletcher is trying to peddle McCabe is it is high time for this team to go in a different direction. Leafs have missed the play-offs for 3 years in a row (a team record btw) and ALL the high priced help was on the move at the trade deadline (Sundin, Tucker, McCabe, Kubina and even Kaberle).

The Leafs will have a new look next year with as many as 10 new players plus a new coaching staff. That is a significant turn-over. McCabe does NOT fit into the new look Leafs.

McCabe at 4.15 million even with a 5.75 million cap hit is an absolute bargain !!! (and I am not even a huge McCabe fan)


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