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07-31-2008, 06:07 PM
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I agree completely. I don't want McCabe.
Did he not score an important overtime goal for you guys?

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07-31-2008, 06:53 PM
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Did he not score an important overtime goal for you guys?
He's "Chris Drury clutch" for the Sabres.

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07-31-2008, 07:56 PM
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Hey, Bryan is committed to the rebuild!!

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07-31-2008, 09:09 PM
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As a Leaf fan, I want to keep Dev.

How about this:

To Buff:
McCabe

To Toronto:
4th and 5th Round picks in 2010

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07-31-2008, 09:10 PM
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As a Leaf fan, I want to keep Dev.

How about this:

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McCabe

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4th and 5th Round picks in 2010
Too much money going to Buffalo.

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07-31-2008, 09:12 PM
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Right, Jame.

Although it's still an average $4.8M/year salary at a $5.75 cap hit.

McCabe to Buffalo doesn't seem like a bad deal for McCabe, although I remember players saying Buffalo was their least favourite spot to visit on the road because of a lack of things to do.

Buffalo fans: Is Clarke MacArthur in play?
wha, wha, what? Buffalo is actually really fun, its one of my favourite places to go.

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07-31-2008, 09:14 PM
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Too much money going to Buffalo.
How about:

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McCabe

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5th round pick 2010
Whoever is worthless for the Sabres
A bag of pucks
A signed Miller jersey

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07-31-2008, 09:18 PM
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As a Leaf fan, I want to keep Dev.

How about this:

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McCabe

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4th and 5th Round picks in 2010
Thats just plain terrible. underrate McCabe much?

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07-31-2008, 09:24 PM
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Thats just plain terrible. underrate McCabe much?
I don't underrated McCabe at all, I like the goals and what he brings to the PP, but at this time, he's not all that valuable for his large contract and shoddy defense.

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07-31-2008, 09:47 PM
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Hey, Bryan is committed to the rebuild!!
Yeah... Buffalo's rebuild, from the looks of that picture.

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07-31-2008, 09:56 PM
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No use for McCabe. Got enough shooters for the PP and Sekera can QB it as well.

And all id offer is Max straight up

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07-31-2008, 10:41 PM
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Yeah... Buffalo's rebuild, from the looks of that picture.
Huh? What? Helped Buffalo's rebuild?

That goal helped their drive for 13th, but I think they fell short. 13th is only a rebuild in JFJ's eyes.

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07-31-2008, 10:43 PM
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No use for McCabe. Got enough shooters for the PP and Sekera can QB it as well.

And all id offer is Max straight up
I'd do that.

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wha, wha, what? Buffalo is actually really fun, its one of my favourite places to go.
You should get out more Buffalo is lame.

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07-31-2008, 10:50 PM
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I don't underrated McCabe at all, I like the goals and what he brings to the PP, but at this time, he's not all that valuable for his large contract and shoddy defense.
Thinking all Bryan McCabe will return is a 4th and a 5th is severely underrating him. I get that he has had problems, but the guy gets results. Check the Leafs record last year when he was in and out as proof.

A 4th and a 5th is what Id hope to get from a guy like Deveraux, not a guy who puts up 50+ points a season.

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08-01-2008, 12:34 AM
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Thinking all Bryan McCabe will return is a 4th and a 5th is severely underrating him. I get that he has had problems, but the guy gets results. Check the Leafs record last year when he was in and out as proof.

A 4th and a 5th is what Id hope to get from a guy like Deveraux, not a guy who puts up 50+ points a season.
Well of course he gets results, but he's just not worth much more than a 3rd round pick at the moment due to his contract, and overall ability in his position. What he brought to the team was great though, and I'll agree with you on that, the Leafs were on a roll until he was injured and they fell apart. The success however cannot be due solely to McCabe playing, nor can the terrible overall record.

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08-01-2008, 02:10 AM
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The "lack of things to do" thing was a Ray Emery quote.
I wonder how the "things to do" are in Russia...


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08-01-2008, 08:41 AM
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As a Leaf fan, I want to keep Dev.

How about this:

To Buff:
McCabe

To Toronto:
4th and 5th Round picks in 2010
if you were really a Leafs fan, you wouldnt undervalue our best overall d-man

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08-01-2008, 08:43 AM
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Take out Connelly and Buffalo begins to consider it.
I agree Buffalo is giving up to much. To be fair take out Connelly and the 3rd heading back to Buffalo as well!

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08-01-2008, 06:08 PM
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Afinogenov for Kubina.

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08-01-2008, 06:35 PM
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I pobably should have posted this here originally but

Again.....
McCabe is a Multiple time 15 go/50 point scorer.
He has been an olympian and has finished top 5 in norris voting in 2004.
He plays one of the highest min/game out of defensemen in the league and has done so since 2000.


Starting in september, his salary will be 4.15 million x 3. That puts him at the 35th highest in the league. That is almost HALF of brian Campbell, 2.5 million less than Dan Boyle.

Brian Campbell has had one good year where he scored 62 points and was a second team allstar, and has never even reached 50 points before. McCabe has had a season high of 68 points and has had 3 50 plus point seasons and has scored 15, 19,16,17. Campell has only made it to 10 once (12). McCabe is better defensively than campbell, bigger and scores more when his arm isnt broken in 3 places. He will be making half as much but he has no value?????

Hell look at boyle. The same age and have similar points and resumes over the past 5 years since boyle came into his own. McCabe has played much longer, is bigger, stronger and is every bit as defensively responsible as boyle. Boyle signed at 6.667 until he is like 38 is somehow worth Carle, Wishart, 1 4 but a comparable (i would argue better player) signed for 4.15 until he is 35 is worthless.

Right now McCabe's money payed out sits him at about 35th in salaries for defencemen with stalwarts like JM liles, Ron Hainsey, Mark Streit and Tom Gilbert. That contract has No value??????

So Boyle is worth a first, 4 th carle and wishart. Freakin Rivet is worth 2 seconds, and McCabe is worth a 4th and a fifth. Come on....

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I pobably should have posted this here originally but

Again.....
McCabe is a Multiple time 15 go/50 point scorer.
He has been an olympian and has finished top 5 in norris voting in 2004.
He plays one of the highest min/game out of defensemen in the league and has done so since 2000.


Starting in september, his salary will be 4.15 million x 3. That puts him at the 35th highest in the league. That is almost HALF of brian Campbell, 2.5 million less than Dan Boyle.

Brian Campbell has had one good year where he scored 62 points and was a second team allstar, and has never even reached 50 points before. McCabe has had a season high of 68 points and has had 3 50 plus point seasons and has scored 15, 19,16,17. Campell has only made it to 10 once (12). McCabe is better defensively than campbell, bigger and scores more when his arm isnt broken in 3 places. He will be making half as much but he has no value?????

Hell look at boyle. The same age and have similar points and resumes over the past 5 years since boyle came into his own. McCabe has played much longer, is bigger, stronger and is every bit as defensively responsible as boyle. Boyle signed at 6.667 until he is like 38 is somehow worth Carle, Wishart, 1 4 but a comparable (i would argue better player) signed for 4.15 until he is 35 is worthless.

Right now McCabe's money payed out sits him at about 35th in salaries for defencemen with stalwarts like JM liles, Ron Hainsey, Mark Streit and Tom Gilbert. That contract has No value??????

So Boyle is worth a first, 4 th carle and wishart. Freakin Rivet is worth 2 seconds, and McCabe is worth a 4th and a fifth. Come on....
Solid points regarding relative worth.

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08-04-2008, 03:26 PM
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No thanks, Kubina has a lot more value to the Leafs than McCabe does. You won't get him for an under-producing forward.

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In reference to an EKLUND rumour on hockeybuzz.com stating...

"Finally, for all of you Torontonians wanting to ride Bryan McCabe out of town on a rail (which really is getting ridiculous) here's food for thought...A rumour today in the form of a text message to me saying the following: "The Sabres and McCabe could happen. Bryan could still live in Toronto and the Sabres need to get a QB for a powerplay.""

In thinking about this, it makes sense in many levels...

- Despite what Sabres fans think, they need another NHL D-man
- They need a powerplay QB (can a current player step up?)
- Frugal owner Galisano gets $5.75M cap hit, pays out only $4.15M
- Galisano would want to shed salary & be above $40M cap floor but pays out less.

Trade idea...

To BUF:
McCabe / Devereaux + 3rd pk 09
(Cap hit: $6.25M vs Actual $ out = $4.75)

To TOR:
Connelly / Afinogenov / Zagrapan
(Cap hit: $6.23M vs Actual $ out = $7M)
That's horrible

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