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08-02-2008, 05:14 PM
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Kane for sure, he plays alot like briere only he'll be better.

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08-02-2008, 05:22 PM
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08-02-2008, 05:52 PM
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Is everyone forgetting the fact that Kane put up 21 more points then Gagner?

That being said, I love this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAzQT...eature=related

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08-02-2008, 06:21 PM
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Is everyone forgetting the fact that Kane put up 21 more points then Gagner?
Remember I said even 9 months around that age span is pretty large. Let's see how Gagner continues to develop at the same age at the from the end of last season through the upcoming season.

Check out the point totals in the last 30 games of the season (when arguably the games get tougher):

Kane - 27 points in the last 30 games
Gagner - 28 points in the last 30 games

As I said right now you would have to say Kane is better based on last season. He may end up being better going forward too. Let's wait and see I certainly would not write off Gags. If I learned anything last training camp and season it is to never underestimate this kid.

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08-02-2008, 06:26 PM
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Remember I said even 9 months around that age span is pretty large. Let's see how Gagner continues to develop at the same age at the from the end of last season through the upcoming season.

Check out the point totals in the last 30 games of the season (when arguably the games get tougher):

Kane - 27 points in the last 30 games
Gagner - 28 points in the last 30 games

As I said right now you would have to say Kane is better based on last season. He may end up being better going forward too. Let's wait and see I certainly would not write off Gags. If I learned anything last training camp and season it is to never underestimate this kid.
Easier way to say things.

Do I expect Kane to be a 100 Point player? Yes, in 2-3 years, IMO.

Do I expect Gagner to be a 100 Point player? Maybe, but not for another 7-9 years, IMO.

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08-02-2008, 06:58 PM
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Kane was the better player last season, but I like to look at the head-to-head matchups when I can.

Nov. 24, 2007 (in Edmonton)
Head to Head TOI: 3 minutes 36 seconds
Gagner: 0-0-0, EV (SO winner)
Kane: 0-0-0, EV

- Kane was on the ice for 1GF and 1GA (both ES), but Gagner wasn't on the ice for either.


Dec. 23, 2007 (in Chicago)
Head to Head TOI: 1 minute, 42 seconds
Gagner: 0-0-0, -1
Kane: 0-1-1, +1

- Gagner was on the ice for 1 GF (powerplay) and 1GA (ES).
- The GA was against Kane's line.


Feb. 6, 2008 (in Edmonton)
Head to Head TOI: 1 minute, 30 seconds
Gagner: 0-2-2, EV
Kane: 0-0-0, -1

- Gagner was on ice for 2 GF (both PP) and no GA
- Kane was on ice for 1GA (ES), but not against Gagner's line


March 9, 2008 (in Chicago)
Head to Head TOI: 5 minutes, 6 seconds
Gagner: 0-2-2, -1
Kane: 0-1-1, EV

- Gagner was on the ice for 6 of the 11 goals scored that night (2ESGF, 1PPGF, 3ESGA). Kane was on the ice for one of the ES GF
- Kane was on the ice for 1 GF and 1 GA (both ES). Gagner was on the ice for the GA, but not the GF.



Total: (H2H only)
TOI: 11 minutes 54 seconds
Gagner: 0-1-1, EV
Kane: 0-1-1, EV

Looks like a draw to me, but I'd give the overall performance in those games to Kane as he seemed to perform better agianst the rest of the Oilers team than Gagner did against the rest of the Hawks.

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08-02-2008, 07:01 PM
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Easier way to say things.

Do I expect Kane to be a 100 Point player? Yes, in 2-3 years, IMO.

Do I expect Gagner to be a 100 Point player? Maybe, but not for another 7-9 years, IMO.
Interesting comment.

I am not yet fully convinced either player will be 100 point guys just yet.

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08-02-2008, 07:11 PM
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Not that this should have any bearing, but I prefer Canadian players over Americans. My choice would be Gagner. BTW, the Calder Trophy doesn't mean anything. Look at some of the past winners... Raycroft, Samsanov, and Berard. Frik, Samsanov beat out Thornton for the Calder, and look where they both are.

I think Gagner has more upside than Kane. I think Kane might put up more points in the long run, but I think Gagner will bring much more to the team (i.e. defense and leadership).

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08-02-2008, 07:15 PM
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I'm betting in the long run, the next 10-15 years, Gagner puts up substantially better numbers overall than Kane. Over the next 2-3 years I would think that Kane will edge out Gagner.

Over career I choose Gagner because you can't teach the hockey sense Gagner has as a natural gift. Hand eye, peripheral vision etc...

Base line testing for Gagner may very well be off the charts. I mean when you can see plays develop before anyone else, and you can pass between two defenders on the backhand, your functioning at a higher level than the rest of the field, and he proved that he can make those plays every game as an 18 year old. Add to this his great personality, the franchise appears to be grooming Gagner as an ambassador for the Oil.

Kane gets my nod for the next few years because he has so much get up and go in the offensive zone. He is a fun player to watch and is fearless.

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08-02-2008, 07:48 PM
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I was undeniably impressed by not just Gagner's last 30 games, but the second half of the season itself.

35 Points in the 39 Games since the New Year

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08-02-2008, 08:04 PM
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Can i pick both? Both are very good players but different in the sense that Kane is more of a great sniper with good playmaking he is also an excellant skater his hockey sense is decent. While Gags is a great playmaker with good goal scoring thats still developing and is a decent skater his hockey sense is phenominal and may make him better than Kane in the long run. It all depends what type of player you want for me i am happy we have Gagner.

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08-02-2008, 08:07 PM
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Kane, easily!

Gagner will be a more complete player, but Kane is just a pure scorer. Unless Crosby gets to another level, I think Kane will win a couple scoring titles over his career. I wonder whether Malkin would have matched his numbers if he came over at 19. It would have been close for sure, but the fact that it is even a question shows the level Kane is on.

It will be amazing to see Kane's development when he gets faster and stronger. I think the player he most resembles is Pavel Datsyuk, and Datsyuk continued to improve even through his mid twenties.

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08-02-2008, 08:33 PM
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Can i pick both? Both are very good players but different in the sense that Kane is more of a great sniper with good playmaking he is also an excellant skater his hockey sense is decent. While Gags is a great playmaker with good goal scoring thats still developing and is a decent skater his hockey sense is phenominal and may make him better than Kane in the long run. It all depends what type of player you want for me i am happy we have Gagner.
Not trying to be a smart-ass here, but I never was able to notice Gagner for his hockey-sense.

Are there any videos of Gags which determine his hockey IQ? If there are, can you please provide me with a link for them?

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08-02-2008, 08:48 PM
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I would take Gagner...smart, skilled and loves the game. And that is no knock on Kane but I think Gagner will be better in the long haul.

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08-02-2008, 09:19 PM
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I also found some other interesting facts 'bout Gags.

Since the Kid Line was formed during a SE division road trip and Gagner and Cogliano were finally promoted to the Top 6(With Tons of PP time), these were the numbers from Gagner.

Since Janury 18th 2008(The first time the Kid Line was united) to the seasons end.

Sam Gagner: 10 Goals, 26 Assists, 36 Points in 34 Games.

Pretty remarkable for an 18 year old.

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08-02-2008, 11:36 PM
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Toews > Kane > Gagner
That's probably how it goes anywhere else but the Oiler board.

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08-03-2008, 12:26 AM
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That's probably how it goes anywhere else but the Oiler board.
Ok, the majority of us are saying that Gagner<=Kane and that Toews is way better than both.

I don't see any need for you to troll, so go away.

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08-03-2008, 12:28 AM
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That's probably how it goes anywhere else but the Oiler board.
Lidstrom>Pronger>Nidermayer>Zubov>Gonchar>Kaberle> Phaneuf

That's how it goes anywhere else but the Flames board.

(I'm not being trying to bash Dion, but now you know how we feel if you come and make a comment like that)

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08-03-2008, 01:38 AM
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It's a cap world people:

Kane 82GP 72pts 3.725mil
Gagner 79GP 49pts 1.625mil

Gagner's half the salary for about 70% of the points. Should he keep pace he had the last stretch, he's the better deal. Kane's slump coinciding with a line mate's injury is worrisome to me.

But enough with the extrapolations, are we all forgetting who's got the mullet? And who was at the draft for 2 years in a row?

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08-03-2008, 02:33 AM
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Ok, the majority of us are saying that Gagner<=Kane and that Toews is way better than both.

I don't see any need for you to troll, so go away.
Just ignore him. The guy is as anti-Oilers as it gets but he prefers the term "realist" since it makes him feel better about himself. A realistic person would understand that an Oilers board is going to be a little more pro-Oilers than other boards.

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08-03-2008, 09:02 AM
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While I picked Kane, something that bothers me is his cocky attitude - from what I recall at the draft, etc.

I'm not sure he'd fit with the Oilers as well as Sam.

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