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08-02-2008, 10:14 PM
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Calgary-ny Rangers

Just Throwing It Out There

To NY:Aucoin

To Flames: 3rd Round Pick

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08-02-2008, 10:19 PM
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Just Throwing It Out There

To NY:Aucoin

To Flames: 3rd Round Pick
Makes absolutely no sense for both teams. NYR's have enough defenseman. i'm sure a Rangers fan can help me out here but they have like 9 defenseman that can play in the NHL in the bottom pairing. They have Roszival, Redden, Staal, Mara and Girardi for top five and I'll take all of them before Aucoin.

And why does Calgary do it? They would need a defenseman if they trade him and I'm sure 3rd round pick is something Calgary is thriving for.

Plus, Aucoin would fetch more than 3rd round pick, I would think.

EDIT - You do mean Adrian Aucoin, right?

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08-02-2008, 10:24 PM
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no thanks, no more defenseman, we're set there

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08-02-2008, 10:40 PM
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I'd rather trade Eriksson or Warrener first. Don't think Aucoin is going anywhere anyways.

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08-02-2008, 11:10 PM
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no thanks, but we have too many dmen. it would be a steal by NYR anyway.

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Makes absolutely no sense for both teams. NYR's have enough defenseman. i'm sure a Rangers fan can help me out here but they have like 9 defenseman that can play in the NHL in the bottom pairing. They have Roszival, Redden, Staal, Mara and Girardi for top five and I'll take all of them before Aucoin.

And why does Calgary do it? They would need a defenseman if they trade him and I'm sure 3rd round pick is something Calgary is thriving for.

Plus, Aucoin would fetch more than 3rd round pick, I would think.

EDIT - You do mean Adrian Aucoin, right?
Well, 9 d-men might be pushing it, lol. We have a couple that are NHL capable, and one or two that are borderline. Potter and Pock will be fighting for the 7th spot, with Pock likely winning the role. Sanguinetti could play in the NHL, but the organization is going to take their time with him and he'll get at least a year in Hartford before he makes the jump. Might get one or two call-ups if he really shows he can dominate in the AHL. Baranka and Sauer could have made the jump, but Sauer screwed his ACL and Baranka jumped to Russia.

We're also right up against the cap, so theres no way we fit Aucoin's 4 mil hit unless we send a bigger contract back; probably Rozsival's. The only real benefit there is Aucoin being closer to the end of his contract, which would be nice considering we have a few FA's to resign next season. However, other than that, I don't see how it helps either team.

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Well, 9 d-men might be pushing it, lol. We have a couple that are NHL capable, and one or two that are borderline. Potter and Pock will be fighting for the 7th spot, with Pock likely winning the role. Sanguinetti could play in the NHL, but the organization is going to take their time with him and he'll get at least a year in Hartford before he makes the jump. Might get one or two call-ups if he really shows he can dominate in the AHL. Baranka and Sauer could have made the jump, but Sauer screwed his ACL and Baranka jumped to Russia.

We're also right up against the cap, so theres no way we fit Aucoin's 4 mil hit unless we send a bigger contract back; probably Rozsival's. The only real benefit there is Aucoin being closer to the end of his contract, which would be nice considering we have a few FA's to resign next season. However, other than that, I don't see how it helps either team.
i thought Baranka's rights are still with NYR though

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i thought Baranka's rights are still with NYR though
NHL rights, yes. As I understand it, that means if he decides he wants to return to the NHL, he can't go to another team. Other than that, he'll be in Russia next season.

I was quite surprised when he signed with Spartak. He was probably going to wind up with a 5/6 spot this year. Would've helped out our cap a bit.

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08-03-2008, 12:32 AM
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not to mention the salary wouldn't work

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08-03-2008, 01:27 AM
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Wow, no thanks.

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Makes no sense for either team. Pass....

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NHL rights, yes. As I understand it, that means if he decides he wants to return to the NHL, he can't go to another team. Other than that, he'll be in Russia next season.

I was quite surprised when he signed with Spartak. He was probably going to wind up with a 5/6 spot this year. Would've helped out our cap a bit.
I was quite disappointed, as well. Had he just given it another year, I think he would've made the team this year. He played well in that one callup, even earning an important assist, if I remember correctly.

I did read something recently where he or someone close to him said that he signed over there thinking that he'll return to the NHL eventually and will then be able to go to another team where he'll have a "real" shot at making the team. I assume he thinks NHL teams only hold rights for two years, but it's no longer this way for European players, from what I gather.

I guess the same thing applies to Cherepanov? Should he not come over next year, the Rangers would retain his rights indefinitely, correct?

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08-03-2008, 12:22 PM
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Aucoin can fetch more than a 3rd round pick.

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The deal won't happen, doesn't make sense for either team to do this.

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Deal....make a lot of sense for the Flames to get rid of the 4M contract

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Deal....make a lot of sense for the Flames to get rid of the 4M contract
No deal.


Even if I think he's overpaid, but as I said, he can fetch more than a 3rd round pick.

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No deal.


Even if I think he's overpaid, but as I said, he can fetch more than a 3rd round pick.
overpaid, underperform people like him fetch nothing.......see Glen Murray

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overpaid, underperform people like him fetch nothing.......see Glen Murray
How is a 35 point +13 season underperforming for a guy like him?

How did Zyuzin do last year? The guy you guys traded to get Adrian...

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08-03-2008, 03:29 PM
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overpaid, underperform people like him fetch nothing.......see Glen Murray
This is a joke right?

Aucoin had 35 pts and was a +13 last year.He had of over 20 minutes of ice time per game(20:57 to be exact) and still managed to play 76 games,not bad for a player many considered to injury prone to still be a useful player.He may not be the quickest defender but he can still man the pp and be a decent 4-6 defenseman to any team that has some depth problems and are in need of a pp quarterback.He is also on the last year of his contract at what i consider a reasonable contract considering what teams payed for free agents this year.

To me thats far from useless.I think Aucoin has some trade value,might be only for picks but that certainly better then waiver buy out material like Glen Murray.

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08-03-2008, 03:38 PM
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I don't know why last year he was worth Zyuzin and an AHLer and now he is worth more than a 3rd round pick? He isn't a 4 million dollar defenseman.

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Rangers don't need Aucoin. Islanders might.

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Rangers don't need Aucoin. Islanders might.
Again?

The Isles need more help than Aucoin can provide, plus most of their problems are more related to scoring and the fact that they have no first line forwards at the moment, though they do have one on the way in Okposo and another in Bailey.

As for this proposal, if this is the going rate for Aucoin, I think the Flames hang on to him. They have other places from which they can dump salary.


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1st: if the Flames were looking to dump Aucoin's salary the asking price would be much higher than a 3rd round pick

2nd: Aucoin is not nearly as overpaid as people make him out to be... he puts up more than respectable offensive numbers... this is not the same Aucoin that was injured and didn't do well on a crappy Hawks team...

3rd: for the Flames to trade Aucoin they need a defenseman who can take a regular shift at even strength, the PP and on the PK... and how many of those are available for under the $4 million Aucoin makes...

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trading Aucoin makes no sense for the Flames... he plays top 4 minutes and to acquire a replacement to play those minutes the Flames would be looking at paying the replacement at least the same amount... to shed salary the Flames need to look at disposing of guys like Warrener, Nilson, Primeau and Eriksson

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his cap hit is like 4million. The rangers don't have the room under the cap.

why does everyone assume the rangers can just swallow up every washed up overpaid player in the league? Oh wait, sorry forgot.

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I don't know why last year he was worth Zyuzin and an AHLer and now he is worth more than a 3rd round pick? He isn't a 4 million dollar defenseman.
Maybe not, but his contract looks 10x better now than it did 2 years ago. Considering what some players are now being paid, Adrian's contract value just went up.

Last year, he proved that he is stilla very solid defenseman. Don't let his crappy experience in Chicago fool you.

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