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07-31-2008, 10:45 PM
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Gonchar or Visnovsky?

Hey Penguins fans, I had a cool idea I wanted to bring up with you.

I want to get Penguins fans perspectives on which player you would rather have on the back end Sergei or Lubo?

Similarites:

-Both great skaters
-Both very good passers
- The Second and Third highest scoring defenseman since the lockout
- Both are pretty underrated defensively
-Two of the best PP QB's in the league

Other than the fact that the two play in different conferences, I see tons of similarites.

I am an Oilers fan and I would take Gonchar anyday over Visnovsky.

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07-31-2008, 11:01 PM
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Give me Sarge. Plus the whole Malkin factor is there too.

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Hey Penguins fans, I had a cool idea I wanted to bring up with you.
You're studying drama? The suspense is killing me. In what sequel does the cool idea materialize?

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Gonchar.

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You're studying drama? The suspense is killing me. In what sequel does the cool idea materialize?
Is this supposed to be funny??

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You're studying drama? The suspense is killing me. In what sequel does the cool idea materialize?
He's looking for an opinion, and this is what you give him?

And some people wonder why the Pens following gets so much hate around here.

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07-31-2008, 11:32 PM
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He's looking for an opinion, and this is what you give him?

And some people wonder why the Pens following gets so much hate around here.
No I'm not bothered by his comments(I could hardly make sense of them).

I am looking for an opinion though.

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07-31-2008, 11:48 PM
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i don't think you're going to get the best sampling over here. gonchar's strengths are magnified by playing for a successful team while visnovsky's don't jump out as much having been stuck on a lousy team in recent years. plus you're asking penguins fans, many of which may have only seen a handful of LA games since the lockout. so people here are probably going to be unanimous in agreeing with you.

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Gonchar fits the Penguins better than Vis does right now just because he's been here 3 years and is one of the biggest influences on the team. I'd take Gonchar over Visnovsky from the Pens standpoint, but if I was a team other than the Penguins and I'd had no contact with either player before then I go with Visnovsky when you look at current contracts and age. Gonchar has 2 more years on his deal at the end of which he'll be 36 I believe, while Vis has 5 and at the end he'll be 36 as well. The way Gonchar is playing his next cap hit should be in the 6-7 range unless he takes a discount, while Visnovsky will stay at a healthy 5.4 until 2013.

Gonchar may be slightly better now, but I don't know how long that'll last as he approaches 40 and his next deal could be an albatross. Vis gives you the best overall combination of long-term security and talent between the two if your system has had no contact with either player.

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Have to take Gonchar.

Him and Liddy were fighting back-and-forth for top scoring d-man of 2000-Present. Also, he has steadily improved his defensive play and has for the past two seasons been a considerable norris candidate.

For now, give me the Gonch

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Have to take Gonchar.

Him and Liddy were fighting back-and-forth for top scoring d-man of 2000-Present. Also, he has steadily improved his defensive play and has for the past two seasons been a considerable norris candidate.

For now, give me the Gonch
Lubo has been the highest scoring d-man in the last three years after those two.

I wouldn't mind either one on my team, such good defenseman.

And btw, what would Pens fans want from the Oilers for Ryan Whitney?

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Lubo has been the highest scoring d-man in the last three years after those two.

I wouldn't mind either one on my team, such good defenseman.

And btw, what would Pens fans want from the Oilers for Ryan Whitney?
Ales Hemsky.

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Are you going to go to every board to see if Lubo is loved by anyone other than you?

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He's looking for an opinion, and this is what you give him?

And some people wonder why the Pens following gets so much hate around here.
Ahhh, cry me a river mate .

Yes, it is a splendalicious idea to ask us to confirm that we would also prefer to have Gonchar over Visnovsky. We'll all start a big orgy being in such rare agreement with an opponent fan.

Gonchar is key for us and is beyond doubt the better defender, point production (where he is also on top) be damned.

No slight on Lubo who is certainly a very good quarterback himself, but what are we supposed to be talking about here?
Any "wow, ZOMG I have a cool idea" preface looks kinda silly. At least to me.

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Man, two years ago when people thought Visnovsky was better than Gonchar, I was fried for saying the opposite. Now Gonchar plugs in a Norris-candidate worthy season and the tables have turned.

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for the first season (maybe 2) that the pens had gonch I would have said Lubs, not anymore.

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Gonchar and it isn't even remotely close.

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I'm taking Sarge. I think he's a little better offensively and defensively (3 years ago never thought I'd be saying that).

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They're both offensive defensemen, Gonchar is the higher scoring one long-term, short-term, and last year outscored him by 24 points while providing solid d and quarterbacking his team to the Cup Finals, while Lubo's yet to prove himself at all in the playoffs.

No brainer. Lubo's good, but Gonch could've been a Norris candidate last year.

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Sarge has improved his defense over the past few years..... I'd have to take him

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i don't think you're going to get the best sampling over here. gonchar's strengths are magnified by playing for a successful team while visnovsky's don't jump out as much having been stuck on a lousy team in recent years. plus you're asking penguins fans, many of which may have only seen a handful of LA games since the lockout. so people here are probably going to be unanimous in agreeing with you.
Being in the West, i've seen Vish more than i'd like and really he's not even close to how good Gonchar is as a powerplay qb or a puck moving defenseman. I don't even know why this is in question, Vishnovsky had about 2-3 good years after a handful of mediocre ones while Gonchar has produced in Washington when it was a good team and when it was a poor team and as well, in Boston and now in Pittsburgh.

When a guy produces everywhere he goes, it stops being about "he's always on good teams" and is more about "he really is one of the best powerplay qb's out of the current defensemen in the NHL."

Vishnovsky is over paid, can't handle the physical side anymore, which is why he did so well after the lock out because the NHL was a more fast paced game and not so much of a grinding physically tasking game as its starting to become again with less room to free wheel.

Edmonton likes to take chances on over hyped defensemen like Souray and Vish, i'd gladly take Gonchar over both every time.

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Have to take Gonchar.

Him and Liddy were fighting back-and-forth for top scoring d-man of 2000-Present. Also, he has steadily improved his defensive play and has for the past two seasons been a considerable norris candidate.

For now, give me the Gonch
What is this for now thing? Gonchar is 2yrs older than Visnovsky and has a career filled with enough proof that he's the guy to pick long term. The fact that at 34yrs of age, he is still steadily improving his defensive game should be a major indication of who's the right pick between the two mentioned.

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Ales Hemsky.
Good luck with that.

I think all the fans watch Pittsburgh and we all know how bad he got defensively last year. He's regressed from the previous year. [Just like Andrej Meszaros.....]

Your not getting anything "good" for him atleast this off-season and let's see what he does next season to re-up his value.

EDIT- As for the question, I'll take Gonchar every day of the week.

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Visnovsky is actually pretty good defensively. He's been a +11 on a lottery team the last 7 years in LA.

But, I'd take Gonchar.

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