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08-08-2008, 10:47 AM
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OT: 2008 Olympics

Can we sticky this lease.

Anyone else watch/watching the opening ceremonies? Maybe Im a little biased, but I thought they are/were decent, with the 04 Olympics opener much better. Anyways, what is everyone looking forward to? For me, its Phelps becoming the most dominant Olympic athlete ever, and hopefully the US team taking the gold back in basketball.

On a side note, if anyone saw the Netherlands/Nigeria soccer game yesterday, you can see a lot of smog. Whether or not it was pollution, it looked real hazy and not to clean.

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Can we sticky this lease.
I'll wait and see how much interest there is, first.

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On a side note, if anyone saw the Netherlands/Nigeria soccer game yesterday, you can see a lot of smog. Whether or not it was pollution, it looked real hazy and not to clean.
There's a reason why Wal-Mart can sell people the cheap widgets they desperately want. China can make those widgets at a fraction of the cost. Low wages. No unions. No environmental regulations. Then again, when you see the skies in China in 2008, I think you have a pretty good idea of what the skies were like in the US industrial belt in the early 1900's.

Just a random example I just pulled off the net:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n15877872

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Then again, when you see the skies in China in 2008, I think you have a pretty good idea of what the skies were like in the US industrial belt in the early 1900's.
No, you don't - It's much worse. Chinese cities are 5x or more the size that the largest U.S. cities were back in the 1950s, the peak of the U.S. industrial era, let alone the early 1900s industrial revolution. Even today China has 4 times (or more) the population of the U.S., which with their increasing economy (now 4th largest in the world ahead of England) and lax environmental laws leads to the most massive pollution the world has ever known.

If you watch the news, you know what I'm talking about - Chinese pollution actually has at least twice led to a unique weather event: massive smog clouds that have spread to cover as many as four countries at once in southeast Asia and take weeks to dissipate.

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No, you don't - It's much worse. Chinese cities are 5x or more the size that the largest U.S. cities were back in the 1950s, the peak of the U.S. industrial era, let alone the early 1900s industrial revolution. Even today China has 4 times (or more) the population of the U.S., which with their increasing economy (now 4th largest in the world ahead of England) and lax environmental laws leads to the most massive pollution the world has ever known.

If you watch the news, you know what I'm talking about - Chinese pollution actually has at least twice led to a unique weather event: massive smog clouds that have spread to cover as many as four countries at once in southeast Asia and take weeks to dissipate.
I agree with you 100%. The scale is much greater. I actually deleted a sentence to that effect from my post because I thought it came across as inflammatory... which of course Iwould NEVER want to do


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No, you don't - It's much worse. Chinese cities are 5x or more the size that the largest U.S. cities were back in the 1950s, the peak of the U.S. industrial era, let alone the early 1900s industrial revolution. Even today China has 4 times (or more) the population of the U.S., which with their increasing economy (now 4th largest in the world ahead of England) and lax environmental laws leads to the most massive pollution the world has ever known.

If you watch the news, you know what I'm talking about - Chinese pollution actually has at least twice led to a unique weather event: massive smog clouds that have spread to cover as many as four countries at once in southeast Asia and take weeks to dissipate.
England is not an economy, it forms the United Kingdom economy. Indeed, despite being literally like 90%+ of the UK in terms of anything measurable haha, the other nations still seem to get way to many benefits over england. As much as i try and avoid my dad when i walk down the stairs, sometimes this annoying information is impossible to not listen to.

I believe the Chinese economy is the 3rd biggest. Britain is behind Germany, and apparently France also is marginally ahead of us.

The 100 Metres is going to be sick. The Tennis should be pretty awesome, as is the swimming. I guess i have to watch cycling as well, seeing as Britain won like 9 Golds at the worlds this year, something we own at.

Watching the opening ceremonies suck. I think i'd be so bored if i tried to watch it all that i'd probably just end up touching myself. The only mildy entertaining things are when the Nations with 1 athlete parade.

Football season starts in a week too.

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England is not an economy, it forms the United Kingdom economy. Indeed, despite being literally like 90%+ of the UK in terms of anything measurable haha, the other nations still seem to get way to many benefits over england. As much as i try and avoid my dad when i walk down the stairs, sometimes this annoying information is impossible to not listen to.
You're getting too literal there. We Americans often use England, UK, and Great Britain interchangeably. I know that probably rankles some citizens there, but it is how it is...

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I believe the Chinese economy is the 3rd biggest. Britain is behind Germany, and apparently France also is marginally ahead of us.
1. United States
2. Japan
3. Germany
4. China

If France is #5, that happened only recently. When China reached #4 earlier this year, it did so by surpassing the UK. If China is up to #3 already (and it should have required a big sudden jump to do it) I haven't seen it.

I guess there's enough Olympics interest to sticky it for now...but as of now there's just 2 posts on topic (my bad for following an OT discussion) so if it's not getting much interest, I'll have to unsticky and suggest you'll find more conversation on another board.

EDIT: Current world top 10 (deleting "World" at #1 and "European Union" at #2 since we're talking individual countries)

United States $13,750,000,000,000
Japan $5,103,000,000,000
Germany $3,024,000,000,000
China $2,879,000,000,000
United Kingdom $2,472,000,000,000
France $2,244,000,000,000
Italy $1,862,000,000,000
Brazil $1,269,000,000,000
Russia $1,251,000,000,000
Spain $1,153,000,000,000


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You're getting too literal there. We Americans often use England, UK, and Great Britain interchangeably. I know that probably rankles some citizens there, but it is how it is...


1. United States
2. Japan
3. Germany
4. China

If France is #5, that happened only recently. When China reached #4 earlier this year, it did so by surpassing the UK. If China is up to #3 already (and it should have required a big sudden jump to do it) I haven't seen it.

I guess there's enough Olympics interest to sticky it for now...but as of now there's just 2 posts on topic (my bad for following an OT discussion) so if it's not getting much interest, I'll have to unsticky and suggest you'll find more conversation on another board.

EDIT: Current world top 10 (deleting "World" at #1 and "European Union" at #2 since we're talking individual countries)

United States $13,750,000,000,000
Japan $5,103,000,000,000
Germany $3,024,000,000,000
China $2,879,000,000,000
United Kingdom $2,472,000,000,000
France $2,244,000,000,000
Italy $1,862,000,000,000
Brazil $1,269,000,000,000
Russia $1,251,000,000,000
Spain $1,153,000,000,000
Race...Im interested to know where Greece is on that list, if you can get that for me.

J17, the 100m is going to be a great race. Gay, for the US, is going to have stiff competition for the race, but I dont think I can root for a Nole, since I believe Gay is from FSU. The swimming is going to be the most watched, aside from the track and field, because I think a lot of people are going to be watching Phelps. He has been one of the most sought after athletes in China so far, with him having to secretly move around the city. With the Chinese affairs included, there are a lot of interesting stories that will be coming out of these Olympics.

And J17...i thought the ceremonies werent that boring. The show itself was interested, and the last torch bearer was also cool, as he was running along the top of the stadium. I think they have some amazing venues as well, but overall, I think the 2004 opener was much better.

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Race...Im interested to know where Greece is on that list, if you can get that for me.
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https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2001rank.html

This isn't the site I originally got it from, but it is the source used by that site. I guess the info's a little out of date as it was mostly 2007 estimates, but it's the most up to date. And it's the CIA, so it can be considered an official source

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No, you don't - It's much worse. Chinese cities are 5x or more the size that the largest U.S. cities were back in the 1950s, the peak of the U.S. industrial era, let alone the early 1900s industrial revolution. Even today China has 4 times (or more) the population of the U.S., which with their increasing economy (now 4th largest in the world ahead of England) and lax environmental laws leads to the most massive pollution the world has ever known.
The other tidbit I deleted from my post was the fact that China is exempt from the Kyoto treaty that there is so much hand wringing over. I'm sure Race and others are aware of this, but I 'm willing to bet the vast majority of Americans aren't. I can't blame them though. Keeping up with the latest American Idol voting takes up a lot of brain cells.


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The other tidbit I deleted from my post was the fact that China is exempt from the Kyoto protocols that there is so much hand wringing over. I'm sure Race and others are aware of this, but I 'm willing to bet the vast majority of Americans don't. I can't blame them though. Keeping up with the latest American Idol voting takes up a lot of brain cells.
Yah - it's why Kyoto is widely criticized as nothing short of international socialism that takes aim at weakening the United States and no other nation. Almost all other developed nations already are at Kyoto target levels because they were conveniently set to the rate of pollution already in those nations - most of which also have stagnant economies -, and many other developing nations (including China and India) are exempt from pollution controls, even though China is already estimated to have surpassed U.S. pollution levels.

And HEY! I watch American Idol! I just don't watch a hell of a lot of other TV. I'm an internet addict and an information junkie.

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Check out nbcolympics.com. They have every event live to be watched as well as old events! I was watching four different live events while also watching the opening ceremonies on tv!

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Race...Im interested to know where Greece is on that list, if you can get that for me.

J17, the 100m is going to be a great race. Gay, for the US, is going to have stiff competition for the race, but I dont think I can root for a Nole, since I believe Gay is from FSU. The swimming is going to be the most watched, aside from the track and field, because I think a lot of people are going to be watching Phelps. He has been one of the most sought after athletes in China so far, with him having to secretly move around the city. With the Chinese affairs included, there are a lot of interesting stories that will be coming out of these Olympics.

And J17...i thought the ceremonies werent that boring. The show itself was interested, and the last torch bearer was also cool, as he was running along the top of the stadium. I think they have some amazing venues as well, but overall, I think the 2004 opener was much better.
I want Bolt or Asafa to win. 200 Metres should be good as well with Bolt threatening to run incredibly quick.

Swimming is messed up for me. Due to the US wanting it prime time, its a morning session in china and thus 2 AM onwards for me. Thats not a problem, but im not that dedicated to watch it till 5 AM every day.

Opening ceremonies suck because i fail to see the point of them. I don't find them very entertaining, and all these historical messages etc serve no point, other than wasting vast resources of money.

As for the economy Acad, for all intensive purposes England is the British economy. What the hell do the Scots provide. Chopping wood and filling up Prisons/increasing brick crime.

I thought China was ahead of Germany, but i should of known those damn efficient european Canadians wouldn't let that happen yet.

Baketball should be pretty cool.

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On a sadder note, an American man was stabbed to death by a Chinese man, who then took his own life.

His wife and tour guide were injured, but alive.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc...der/index.html

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As for the economy Acad, for all intensive purposes England is the British economy. What the hell do the Scots provide. Chopping wood and filling up Prisons/increasing brick crime.
Come now...they're also good for entertaining tales about what kind of food they eat, short tempers, and those awesome gaelic brogues.

To be honest, I love Scottish accents - they're cool

And honestly, if I had to pick anywhere in Europe (which - except for parts of Western Russia - I've never visited) to live, I'd probably want to be in the rolling hills of Scotland. Why? I don't know - just seems homey.

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I guess I'll be the odd man out. I thoroughly enjoyed the opening ceremony. I thought the lighting of the torch was spectacular, and the fire works were amazing. The only part that I fast forwarded through is the parade of athletes (though I did watch USA and China).

I'm excited about swimming (how can you NOT be?), and gymnastics.

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QFT. And I loved the lighting of the torch. Much better than the one in 2004 IMO.

Soccer is the competition for me. Go go Aussies!

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QFT. And I loved the lighting of the torch. Much better than the one in 2004 IMO.

Soccer is the competition for me. Go go Aussies!
Hey, watch it Gambler ...the lighting of the torch was better, but the 04 games opener overall was better.

If anyone hasnt gotten to see the mens 4x100 swimming final yet, make sure you watch it. After France stated that they were going to demolish us, we made an unbelievable comeback in the last 25 meters to break the world record and take the gold from the French. That also gave Phelps number two of eight in his quest for immortality. Best reaction of the games so far from the US team, very exciting.

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Two already, bwahaha! But yeah, javelin and longjump are pretty much the only ones I'm looking forward to.

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If anyone hasnt gotten to see the mens 4x100 swimming final yet, make sure you watch it. After France stated that they were going to demolish us, we made an unbelievable comeback in the last 25 meters to break the world record and take the gold from the French. That also gave Phelps number two of eight in his quest for immortality. Best reaction of the games so far from the US team, very exciting.
That was the best Olympic event I've ever seen and my family is very into swimming because my sister did it competitively for many years. The French were quoted as saying they came to "smash" the Americans. Lezak was a full body length behind at the turn and a quarter behind with 25 meters or so to go and beats him on the last stroke. I was at Fridays when it happened and the reaction of everyone in the restaurant was awesome. Lets just say there were some pretty bad things said about the French -- the best being that they should waive their white caps and surrender

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Lezak beating out Bernard had to be one of the best Olympic moments as an American; that I have ever seen in my life!

GO USA!

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Lezak beating out Bernard had to be one of the best Olympic moments as an American; that I have ever seen in my life!

GO USA!
Bernard really made a simple mistake too. In swimming, you can draft an opponent almost like you can draft a driver in Nascar. If Bernard would of stayed to the right of his lane, Lezak probably would not of been able to catch up. If you watch the replays, Bernard is towards the left side of the lane, and Lezak is riding far right in his lane, allowing him to draft Bernard. Im sure Lezak knew what he was doing, which is a good reason why to have a vet like him anchor the team, even though he has choked in the past. Great finish though, one of the best ever.

And BTW...the US team looked good against China in basketball, especially Wade and LeBron. They are going to have to tighten up their defense though because Greece and Spain will be a lot tougher than China was.

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And to no surprise, May/Walsh dominate again. It wasnt even close. All I can say is, Misty May in that bikini, my goodness. Got to love Women's Beach Volleyball.

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