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08-10-2008, 09:43 PM
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How people are saying Lundqvist I have no idea. He could be the best goalie in the league in a little while, but he is a clear notch below Brodeur and Luongo now because of consistency. Lundqvist still hasnt gotten through a season without a prolonged, terrible, absolutely awful stretch. His slumps last way too long, at least a month it seems. He can be lights out but he needs more consistency. Brodeur and Luongo give you a chance to win every night, and thats why theyre better right now.

My order:

Brodeur
Luongo

Lundqvist
Nabokov
Kipper

Vokoun
Giguere
Turco

Dipietro
Miller
Huet
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08-10-2008, 10:09 PM
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You can measure how good a goalie is by his GAA or Save %.

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Who do you think is the best goalie in the NHL right now?
the one with the best defense. without defense (shootout) it would be Lundqvist.

But i like Luongo.

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08-11-2008, 07:34 AM
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You can measure how good a goalie is by his GAA or Save %.
No you can't.

Both are in some ways team statistics. They are affected not just by how the goalie performs but also by the way the team in front of the goalie plays.

The best way to measure how a good a goalie is it to watch him play. Statistics give a limited view into the comparability of goaltenders.

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08-11-2008, 08:39 AM
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How people are saying Lundqvist I have no idea. He could be the best goalie in the league in a little while, but he is a clear notch below Brodeur and Luongo now because of consistency. Lundqvist still hasnt gotten through a season without a prolonged, terrible, absolutely awful stretch. His slumps last way too long, at least a month it seems. He can be lights out but he needs more consistency. Brodeur and Luongo give you a chance to win every night, and thats why theyre better right now.

My order:

Brodeur
Luongo

Lundqvist
Nabokov
Kipper

Vokoun
Giguere
Turco

Dipietro
Miller
Huet
Fleury
Bryzgalov
Better yet i can't see why some people have Kipper or Vokoun better than Turco when clearly they are not!

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08-11-2008, 11:31 AM
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The best way to measure how a good a goalie is it to watch him play.


Thank you.

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08-11-2008, 11:35 AM
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Luongo, Nabby, Broduer, Henrik

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Bordeur, Nabby, Henrik, Turco/Luongo
That had to be an obvious brain fart so i fixed it for ya!

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08-11-2008, 11:59 AM
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That had to be an obvious brain fart so i fixed it for ya!
lol nah I think Luongo is the best goalie in the NHL. He is just stuck in a bad situation. You are right though I should have had Turco in there. That fix I am ok with

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08-11-2008, 12:00 PM
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i think that is a tough statement to justify, Brodeur was far more responsible for his team's success, they had less offense and one of the worst defenses in the east.
Perhaps you didn't follow the Sharks much this past season - Nabby was almost singly handily responsible for the Sharks success. He kept them in the games when our offense was doing nearly nothing. And we didn't have any big names on our blue line either (pre-Campbell).

Nabby was robbed, plain and simple.

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08-11-2008, 12:06 PM
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Perhaps you didn't follow the Sharks much this past season - Nabby was almost singly handily responsible for the Sharks success. He kept them in the games when our offense was doing nearly nothing. And we didn't have any big names on our blue line either (pre-Campbell).

Nabby was robbed, plain and simple.
I can't believe people actually think Nabokov was robbed. That's just ridiculous.

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08-11-2008, 12:18 PM
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I can't believe people actually think Nabokov was robbed. That's just ridiculous.
When you see that Broduer won it and only beat Nabby in SV% you have to question it. If someone like Giguere won it and the only argument for Nabby was wins then I could see your point. However, based on the candidates it is a fair argument.

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Brodeur (won the vezina with one of the league's poorest defenses)

Nabokov
Luongo
New Jeresy, poorest defense? WHAT?

Nabokov is the product of a GREAT system in SJ and hasn't done much INDIVIDUALLY to warrant being mentioned there. He's certainly near the front of the pack of tier 2 goalies though, with Lundqvist, Kipper, Turco, Giguere, etc.

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Nabokov was the best goaltender in the league in 2007/08, bar none, and I can't believe he got snubbed for the Vezina. Brodeur is a machine, but Nabby deserved it.
see above. The Vezina SHOULD have gone to Vokoun, imo. Not great stats, but relative to the team he was behind, he was amazing. Nabokov in San Jose had less of an impact on his team than Vokoun, Brodeur, Lundqvist, Thomas, even Luongo in a 'bad' year for him. The Sharks ranked 2nd in shots allowed AND took few penalties.

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perhaps I dont watch Luongo enough...but I've never seen anything particularly special
While I agree that he makes a lot of saves look easier than they probable were... His playoff stats: 1.77gaa, 0.941 sv%. He was nominated for a Vezina on a team that didn't make the playoffs.


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New Jeresy, poorest defense? WHAT?


You'd be hard pressed to find a worse defense man for man.

Depth Chart

Paul Martin Our Best defensemen and a little underrated overall
Johnny Oduya had a surprising good last 1/3 of the season.
Colin White Terrible season--Lost one eye in the preseason and hasn't been the same since
Mike Mottau Career minor leaguer who average top 4 minutes 20+ a game
Sheldon Brookbank Another career minor leaguer that got top 4 minutes at different points of the season.
Andy Greene Rookie that hasn't adjusted all that well under Sutter
Vitaly Vishnevski Really shouldn't be in the NHL
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When you see that Broduer won it and only beat Nabby in SV% you have to question it. If someone like Giguere won it and the only argument for Nabby was wins then I could see your point. However, based on the candidates it is a fair argument.
Interesting comment...... And I think I would tend to agree with you, obviously so did the GM's as it was very close. Brodeur only edged out Nabokov by 2 first place votes.


1. Martin Brodeur, N.J. 113 (15-12-2);
2. Evgeni Nabokov, S.J. 106 (13-13-2);
3. Henrik Lundqvist. NYR 13 (1-0-8);
4. J.S. Giguere, ANA 11 (0-1-8);
5. Miikka Kiprusoff, CGY 7 (1-0-2);
6. Niklas Backstrom, MIN 6 (0-2-0);
7. Roberto Luongo, VAN 5 (0-1-2);
8. Cristobal Huet, WSH 4 (0-1-1);
9. Carey Price, MTL 2 (0-0-2);
10. Tim Thomas, BOS 2 (0-0-2);
11. Chris Osgood, DET 1 (0-0-1)

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But there has been a presedent set for this....

1996-97 2nd in Vezina Voting
Dominik Hasek 120 (22-3-1);
Martin Brodeur 73 (3-18-4);
Patrick Roy 25 (1-3-11);
Guy Hebert 10 (0-2-4);
Curtis Joseph 2 (0-0-2);
Mike Richter 2 (0-0-2);
Andy Moog 1 (0-0-1);
John Vanbiesbrouck 1 (0-0-1)


Brodeur's Final Stats in 1996-97

NJ 67 64 37 wins - 1.88 GAA - .927 Save% 10 Shutouts

Hasek's Final Stats in 1996-97
BUF 67 66 37 wins - 2.27 GAA .930 Save% 5 Shutouts

I would suggest these results were far more tougher to accept than Nabokov's

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Interesting comment...... And I think I would tend to agree with you, obviously so did the GM's as it was very close. Brodeur only edged out Nabokov by 2 first place votes.

I would suggest these results were far more tougher to accept than Nabokov's
definitely agree on the comparison. I am simply saying that you could argue Nabby's case this year. However, as this website points out you can argue just about anything in the NHL if you get the right mix of people together

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You'd be hard pressed to find a worse defense man for man.
Defense isn't a man for man system though. Good defense is a team philosophy that include forwards, and New Jersey has that in spades. Madden is a perennial Selke challenger, Pandolfo is fantastic, and the fact they were 8th best in shots allowed DESPITE having that lineup proves such.

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I am sure some of you have seen this, but it makes a case for Vokoun as the best goalie this past season. Please don't dissect this analysis by pointing out any possible flaws. It provides a different perspective, that's all.

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Brodeur pulled the Devils, kicking and screaming, into the playoffs this year. Luongo failed to lead a team of very similar makeup into the playoffs.

So, Brodeur had 9 more wins in 4 more games, a better save %, and a better GAA. He's won four Vezina's and three cups, and is soon going to own the all time record for wins and shutouts. It's not like he played his best hockey a decade ago, either, as 06-07 was possibly his best season, statistically.

Yet, Luongo is the better goalie?

This makes no sense whatsoever.

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