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08-17-2008, 09:47 PM
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Why can't a player just take a huge paycut, just once?

I am not up to clearing cap space for him.

Come at a reduced price, or go elsewhere.

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08-17-2008, 09:50 PM
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totally disagree i want this team to stay the way it is. dont trade prucha this is his yr give him pp time and a regular spot and he will perform. if not trade him next yr its not like his value can go down any more
hes an FA next year. maybe if Sundin wants to be here so badly then Rissmiller can get moved down to the AHL and he will sign for around 1.8 million and we get to keep petr pru.

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08-17-2008, 10:09 PM
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Gomez to the Kings for O'Sullivan. Resign Sullivan at $3 million, Sundin then gets $6.5 mill or whatever.

Gomez to Columbus for Voracek + Klesla could also work.


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08-17-2008, 10:16 PM
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Gomez to the Kings for O'Sullivan. Resign Sullivan at $3 million, Sundin then gets $6.5 mill or whatever.
I'll take Dustin Brown instead.

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Gomez to the Kings for O'Sullivan. Resign Sullivan at $3 million, Sundin then gets $6.5 mill or whatever.

Gomez to Columbus for Voracek + Klesla could also work.
why would you want to trade Scotty Gomez?... he's probably our best forward and we have him locked up for 6 more years... you can't even say you want to dump his contract because you want to give Sundin $6.5M

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Gomez to the Kings for O'Sullivan. Resign Sullivan at $3 million, Sundin then gets $6.5 mill or whatever.

Gomez to Columbus for Voracek + Klesla could also work.
no thanks, id rather keep Gomez.

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08-17-2008, 10:23 PM
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Hmm what about ...

Gomez to Columbus for Voracek + future 1st (Columbus)

NYR then trade Voracek + Rosival to Florida for Bouweemester + 2nd round pick.

Sign Sundin.

Sundin + Jay Bo + 1st/2nd round picks > Gomez + Rosival IMO.

Though I think Voracek is going to be a very good player too, maybe it would be better if the Rangers kept him and substituted another one of their prospects with Rosival to Florida.

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08-17-2008, 10:41 PM
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Updated 6:00 p.m. Here’s a direct quote from one of my main sources in regards to the Sundin to NYR rumors: “The Sundin rumor of him wanting to play in NY is Hogwash! Larry Brooks is full of it on his well placed source BS.” The word I'm getting is the same old story; it's down to Toronto and Vancouver. J.P. Barry has worked out deals with both teams and those two teams are waiting on Mats to decide. I still have Toronto as the favorite to land Sundin. One thing is for certain and that is Sundin will not play for $2million per season. It's just never going to happen. As for the Flyers this report from the NY Post is the first time I've even heard them mentioned.
They have been pretty accurate this offseason.

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Why can't a player just take a huge paycut, just once?

I am not up to clearing cap space for him.

Come at a reduced price, or go elsewhere.
Hossa did. He turned down 90 mill from edmonton to sign with detroit. Paul Kariya and Selanne also did with the avs.

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Hmm what about ...

Gomez to Columbus for Voracek + future 1st (Columbus)

NYR then trade Voracek + Rosival to Florida for Bouweemester + 2nd round pick.

Sign Sundin.

Sundin + Jay Bo + 1st/2nd round picks > Gomez + Rosival IMO.

Though I think Voracek is going to be a very good player too, maybe it would be better if the Rangers kept him and substituted another one of their prospects with Rosival to Florida.
Sather isn't that smart. Even though he usually kicks ass in trades, still though not gonna happen. And take out Rozy and put in Sangs with Voracek if you even want the Panthers to listen.

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Gomez to the Kings for O'Sullivan. Resign Sullivan at $3 million, Sundin then gets $6.5 mill or whatever.

Gomez to Columbus for Voracek + Klesla could also work.
i know you fleeced the jackets once but that trade is terrible, they wouldnt even give you Voracek for gomez straight up but then you add klesla.

And gomez was your best forward, to trade him away for one year of sundin is pretty dumb.

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Sorry, but neither of these guys are "great" players. Not even close. They're both good players, but neither is an elite-level player.


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Times have changed, teams are locking up their stars for the better part of a decade, and those they can't lock up are being traded and then subsequently being locked up by the team that acquires them.


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Yeah, he became a free agent for the first time at age 35, which proves my point exactly.

You may be content waiting around for Kovalchuk, Ovechkin or Crosby to hit their mid-30s, hoping one of them will eventually reach free agency, but I'd prefer to watch some winning hockey teams for the 15 years.

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08-17-2008, 10:54 PM
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Sather isn't that smart. Even though he usually kicks ass in trades, still though not gonna happen. And take out Rozy and put in Sangs with Voracek if you even want the Panthers to listen.
Oh God, you just revealed the extent of your naivety.

Are you really trying to convince us that a prospect like Sanguinetti, a guy who may never amount to anything in the NHL, is worth more than a 40-point defenseman who has played #1 minutes for a somewhat successful team in this league for the past three seasons?


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08-17-2008, 10:56 PM
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They have been pretty accurate this offseason.

People keep saying that, yet nothing they say ever seems to happen.

I think they had one thing right, either on July 1st or soon after, and everything else since has been hot air .

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08-17-2008, 10:58 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Panthers took Prucha + Rosival + NYR 1st for Jay Bo.

They have little to no chance of resigning him and they know it.

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Sorry, but neither of these guys are "great" players. Not even close. They're both good players, but neither is an elite-level player.
Name one player on this roster who is as good as Sundin or Hossa. Since neither of them are elite players what does that makes Gomez and Drury who are obviously a tier under Sundin/Hossa?

Hossa is the perfect example of an Elite talent on the open market which you said doesn't happen. You know the same Hossa that everyone on here says is the reason why the Pens won't win the division cause he left.

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Oh God, you just revealed the extent of your naivety.

Are you really trying to convince us that a prospect like Sanguinetti, a guy who may never amount to anything in the NHL, is worth more than a 40-point defenseman who has played #1 minutes for a somewhat successful team in this league for the past three seasons?

My naivety? Who talks like that?

Anyhow, with the way Florida is operating Sangs would be more interesting to them than Roszival. Why would they want to pay him 5 mil if they want to dump Jaybo who is the better player? What other young dmen do we have to offer up?

And I don't try to CONVINCE anyone of anything. People have thier opinions and i'm here to share mine, if people agree great. If not we have a little hockey debate........isn't that what we're here for?

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08-17-2008, 11:06 PM
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They have been pretty accurate this offseason.
They were right with a lot at the start of the offseason (mainly Pens info)..but not so much anymore.

They were reporting McCabe to the Isles was a done deal...then a day later the Isles staff said that was not true at all and they never wanted him...so that site is pretty 50/50.

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08-17-2008, 11:09 PM
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They were right with a lot at the start of the offseason (mainly Pens info)..but not so much anymore.

They were reporting McCabe to the Isles was a done deal...then a day later the Isles staff said that was not true at all and they never wanted him...so that site is pretty 50/50.
Oh, allright. Would you consider TFP as a more reliable site?

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People keep saying that, yet nothing they say ever seems to happen.

I think they had one thing right, either on July 1st or soon after, and everything else since has been hot air .
They were pretty accurate around the start of the UFA period with some of the early signings, but haven't done much since.

If Sundin wants to come play here for a season for 2 mil, I think you'd have to seriously consider it. However, if signing Sundin means moving anyone not named Prucha, I want no part of it.

Trading Gomez to clear cap room is about the stupidest ****ing idea I've ever seen on this board. The only guy in our system who is at least close to being a #1 center and we want to trade him away? What happens when Sundin's contract expires? Do we seriously roll Dubinsky as our #1 center?? That's absurd.

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The people here who actually think he'll take such a massive discount to play here are definitely hopelessly optimistic.

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If Sundin wants to come play here for a season for 2 mil, I think you'd have to seriously consider it.
Yes, you would have to consider it. However, it's NEVER going to happen

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Oh, allright. Would you consider TFP as a more reliable site?
No.

I dont consider any rumor site reliable.

But i'd still give that Pittsburgh site more credibility then TFP.

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The people here who actually think he'll take such a massive discount to play here are definitely hopelessly optimistic.

Yes, you would have to consider it. However, it's NEVER going to happen
Have to say I agree with you. Frankly, I hope we find another way to shore up the top-six.

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Hossa did. He turned down 90 mill from edmonton to sign with detroit. Paul Kariya and Selanne also did with the avs.
I think he is looking for an example of a truly significant discount. Similar to the rumors of Sundin taking 5-8 mill less than he can get elsewhere to play for the Rangers at the supposed 2 mill thats floating around.

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08-18-2008, 12:07 AM
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If I was a Nyr or Phi fan I would hope neither team desrupts their team for 1 season and continue on their path.As great as Sundin is,those two teams are probaly weaken by signing him.Long term I think both teams will be kicking themselves,unles they win the cup this year.Thats a big if.
Both Mon and Van can benfit from having Sundin for 1 year as Montreal will need to sign a whole whack of good players.Mon can fit Sundin easier into their potent offence.

Van has another year or two for their young guys to be really flying,Cody Hodgson,Grabner,etc,Sedins to sign although I can see them taking a 1 year extension if Sundin signs on for another year.


And Tor well thats if Sundin wants to retire a leaf and that probably means no playoffs this year.

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