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How many goals will Jonathan Cheechoo score this year?

View Poll Results: How many goals will Jonathan Cheechoo score this year?
30 57 41.30%
35 47 34.06%
40 25 18.12%
45 6 4.35%
50 0 0%
55 3 2.17%
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08-12-2008, 01:09 AM
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What's the deal with all the homerific Sharks fans lately?
I'm not quite sure what homerism you are speaking of... at least in this thread. No one is saying that he's going to replicate his Richard year.

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So how many goals is Brian Gionta going to score this year?
I have no idea. You should ask a Devils fan about that.

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08-12-2008, 04:06 PM
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I have no idea. You should ask a Devils fan about that.
Oh you're one of *those* people. I like how you ignored the previous poster too and just let that "homerrific" comment just kind of float out there in forumland.

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less than 30 shouldve been any option.

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08-13-2008, 02:38 PM
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How come less than 30 isn't an option?

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30-35 would be a great year. His 50 goal year was an abaration, he'll never come close again.

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08-13-2008, 04:08 PM
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I'd say 35ish is pretty close guess...Assuming he'll be healthy and playing with Joe the whole season.

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08-13-2008, 07:02 PM
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25 goals, only breaking the 30 goal barrier twice in a 5 year career doesnt equal a guarantee of at least 30 goals next season.

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08-13-2008, 08:25 PM
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If he's healthy, I can see low 40's

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08-13-2008, 08:36 PM
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25 goals, only breaking the 30 goal barrier twice in a 5 year career doesnt equal a guarantee of at least 30 goals next season.
Dude, he scored 23 after having major surgery the offseason before, and was heavily feeling the effects the first half of the season. While I do agree 30 isn't absolutely guaranteed, saying a healthy Cheechoo will score as much as a severely unhealthy Cheechoo is ridiculous.

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08-13-2008, 08:44 PM
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It is more realistic he will score less than 30 goals than he will score more than 50

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08-13-2008, 09:22 PM
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It is more realistic he will score less than 30 goals than he will score more than 50
Why? Are you predicting an injury? Cause that's the only way he doesn't score at least 35. I put in 30 for people who were predictig some kind of injury.

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08-13-2008, 09:33 PM
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Why? Are you predicting an injury? Cause that's the only way he doesn't score at least 35. I put in 30 for people who were predictig some kind of injury.
Relax. I think he's just saying that people have "off" years far more often than they have "Richard" years.

Him scoring 50+ isn't any more likely than him him scoring fewer than 30. There are a lot of variable in an 82 game season, so I see no reason why a poll that includes his high end, wouldn't include his low end as well.

If someone wants to know other peoples opinions, what's the point in asking when the original question rules out a very possible outcome?

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08-13-2008, 09:41 PM
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Why? Are you predicting an injury? Cause that's the only way he doesn't score at least 35. I put in 30 for people who were predictig some kind of injury.
Mainly because of what the poster above me said and also the fact that Cheechoo has more seasons scoring below 30 than above 30 so logically I can draw the conclusion he is more likely to score below 30. The poll should have an option for below 30, there appears to be a large segment of us who feel that is the most likely option the original poster wanted this to be a cheerleading thread for Cheechoo instead.

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I'll say 34 goals.

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Mainly because of what the poster above me said and also the fact that Cheechoo has more seasons scoring below 30 than above 30 so logically I can draw the conclusion he is more likely to score below 30. The poll should have an option for below 30, there appears to be a large segment of us who feel that is the most likely option the original poster wanted this to be a cheerleading thread for Cheechoo instead.
It's certainly flawed logic.

03/04: 28 goals playing on the 3rd line with Mike Ricci and Scott Thornton.
05/06: 56 goals, most after Thornton arrived in November. Ridiculous, aberration of a season.
06/07: 37 goals. Cheechoo comes back down to Earth.
07/08: 23 goals, after double-hernia surgery in offseason. Terrible, and pretty much unable to skate, for half the season. Plays a good amount of time without Thornton.

And you're really going to tell me that after he scored near 30 on a third line with old, defensive linemates, scoring 37 and 56 in two seasons, and then scoring 23 after having major surgery, that he's most likely not going to get 30?

I'm sorry, but I think that's kind of stupid. All signs point to a healthy Cheechoo getting 30+. Somewhere 35-40, but I think he could get 40-50. Especially as a new, offensive-minded coach comes in, and as two new puck-moving d-men arrive as well, as the Sharks transition game blew last season.

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It's certainly flawed logic.

03/04: 28 goals playing on the 3rd line with Mike Ricci and Scott Thornton.
05/06: 56 goals, most after Thornton arrived in November. Ridiculous, aberration of a season.
06/07: 37 goals. Cheechoo comes back down to Earth.
07/08: 23 goals, after double-hernia surgery in offseason. Terrible, and pretty much unable to skate, for half the season. Plays a good amount of time without Thornton.

And you're really going to tell me that after he scored near 30 on a third line with old, defensive linemates, scoring 37 and 56 in two seasons, and then scoring 23 after having major surgery, that he's most likely not going to get 30?

I'm sorry, but I think that's kind of stupid. All signs point to a healthy Cheechoo getting 30+. Somewhere 35-40, but I think he could get 40-50. Especially as a new, offensive-minded coach comes in, and as two new puck-moving d-men arrive as well, as the Sharks transition game blew last season.
So you're saying 37 goals is Cheechoo coming back down to earth? Then why is that amount of goals the very low end on the poll? If that is his "normal" figure then that should be the median and thus logically it would be just as reasonable for a sub 30 goal season as there is for a +50 goal season.

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So you're saying 37 goals is Cheechoo coming back down to earth? Then why is that amount of goals the very low end on the poll? If that is his "normal" figure then that should be the median and thus logically it would be just as reasonable for a sub 30 goal season as there is for a +50 goal season.
Well, Cheechoo scored 28 goals in his second year on the checking line with Scott Thornton and Mike Ricci(2 very over the hill players)

I don't think its coincidence that he scored a ton with Joe Thornton centering the line. In the next year he dropped to 37 goals, he was struck with a severe knee injury in the first half of the season that affected him for a good part of the season. In the last 30 games of the season, he finally was back to full health and scored 20 goals in 30 games. Not too shabby.

Last year, he underwent a double Hernia surgery, which is something nobody comes back from easily in less than a few months(And usually are not the same for half a year), and then he injured his neck in the latter half of the season. After he healed up, he went on an end of season tear with Thornton again.

Combine this with the fact that the team has a new coach, reputed to be shedding the Defense first system Wilson stuck on the team, and its not a longshot to suggest a Healthy Cheechoo will be scoring 30-40 again.

Should there be a 25 goal option? Yes, but its an unlikely scenario if Cheech plays healthy under a ne coaches offense first system.

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So you're saying 37 goals is Cheechoo coming back down to earth? Then why is that amount of goals the very low end on the poll? If that is his "normal" figure then that should be the median and thus logically it would be just as reasonable for a sub 30 goal season as there is for a +50 goal season.
Cheechoo only has two legitimate years for comparison, his 05-06 season and his 06-07 season. Last year you have to throw out because he played with an injury that he got in the playoffs the year before, and his totals were not representative of what he would have done while healthy. This is blatantly obvious when you look at how his production shot up at the end of the year. The inordinately large amount of people predicting less than 30 goals are apparently unable to comprehend this. 06-07 wasn't even a normal year for him, he did poorly the first half of the season then as well (16 goals in his first 47 games, and even THAT was on pace for 28 goals over an 82 game season). He got 21 goals in his last 29 games (missing 6 games with injury midseason). So the conclusion is that even with his worst performance while healthy, he was still on pace for 30 goals. So 30 goals is the low end, and 55 goals is the high end (actually maybe more, but nobody was going to predict that anyway. I think an average season for him would be 40-45, based on his body of work. Thus 30 for low and 55 for high. Can't wait to revisit this poll in eight months, cause some of the posters are gonna look pretty bad and I don't count on being one of them.

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Cheechoo only has two legitimate years for comparison, his 05-06 season and his 06-07 season. Last year you have to throw out because he played with an injury that he got in the playoffs the year before, and his totals were not representative of what he would have done while healthy. This is blatantly obvious when you look at how his production shot up at the end of the year. The inordinately large amount of people predicting less than 30 goals are apparently unable to comprehend this. 06-07 wasn't even a normal year for him, he did poorly the first half of the season then as well (16 goals in his first 47 games, and even THAT was on pace for 28 goals over an 82 game season). He got 21 goals in his last 29 games (missing 6 games with injury midseason). So the conclusion is that even with his worst performance while healthy, he was still on pace for 30 goals. So 30 goals is the low end, and 55 goals is the high end (actually maybe more, but nobody was going to predict that anyway. I think an average season for him would be 40-45, based on his body of work. Thus 30 for low and 55 for high. Can't wait to revisit this poll in eight months, cause some of the posters are gonna look pretty bad and I don't count on being one of them.
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WHy does anyone think less than 30? Are you guys predicting an injury or something?
Yah for Joe

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40 is not out of the question.

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40 is not out of the question.
That's why it is an option duh!

Less than 30 isn't an option though and it sure isn't out of the question.

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So how many goals is Brian Gionta going to score this year?
About the same as Cheechoo, less then 30.

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