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Gaborik to Buffalo closer than one may think

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08-04-2008, 10:17 PM
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Gaborik to Buffalo closer than one may think

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...than-you-think

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Before I begin there have been comments on this article below accusing me of just pulling stuff of thin air. This is simply not true, there have been TRUE and REAL reports of Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and Washington inquiring and talks of actually trading Gaborik. The following is why of those three teams and what I have heard from Minnesota that Buffalo ha a very good chance of acquiring Gaborik. All of this have come from reliable sources that I frequently check with.
I understand the number of Gaborik rumors floating around here, but it is very true regarding the cap situation of the various teams interested in him.

If Darcy would somehow be able to pull of a Max/Connolly/Kots trade for Gaborik I'd be the happiest hockey fan on the planet, but I don't see that happening. I think a combo of those three plus either Pominville/Stafford plus a pick or prospect would get the job done.

I'm drooling over the thought of a Vanek-Roy-Gaborik top line. It'd instantly make me forget about the Drury and Briere blunders.

My only concern is Gaborik being injury prone, and a team like the Sabres has seen enough of those kind of guys. Nonetheless, when this guy is healthy he brings his A-game every night and, IMO, is easily a Top 10 Forward in the league.

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who could Buffalo give up though, Zagrapan?

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Not to threadjack, but I really don't get how anyone could see the Caps in the running for Gaborik. Salary wise it's impossible; Semin would probably have to be moved out, and that's likely a step down in scoring, not a step up. That kinda hurts the credibility for me.

That said, Buffalo could work nicely for Gaborik (assuming a good deal can be made), it seems like he'd fit the style quite well.

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I really don't see a deal between Minnesota and Buffalo for Gaborik. Who would Buffalo move for a player of his caliber? Afinogenov wouldn't even crack the surface of the trade value that Gaborik has. Plus, you just cannot move Poms or Roy in a deal like this and screw up your cap situation even more.

Plus, Buffalo trading for a UFA seems to fly in the face of the style in which they build their team. Smart drafting, strong minor league system, and locking up talent early before it blooms. Teams that operate on a wire thin budget and don't play all the way to the cap don't make trades like this for premium UFA talent and pay them like superstars. They already have Vanek who throws a wrench into the works of their small market approach.... what kind of sense would it make from that standpoint to pick up another player who will command a Vanek like contract?

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Not to threadjack, but I really don't get how anyone could see the Caps in the running for Gaborik. Salary wise it's impossible; Semin would probably have to be moved out, and that's likely a step down in scoring, not a step up. That kinda hurts the credibility for me.

That said, Buffalo could work nicely for Gaborik (assuming a good deal can be made), it seems like he'd fit the style quite well.
sorry to continue the hijack.

Semin a step up from Gaborik? Gaborik over the last 3 years has 110 goals in 190 games. 0.579 goals per game. And he only missed 5 games last year.

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Aren't the Sabres still for sale?

Honestly, I'd like to see some possible players thrown around.

And the ONLY player coming in from Minny is Gaborik so no evening with a second rounder or anything. What can Buffalo offer Minny for that player alone?

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Though the past free agency has seemingly been soiled with irrationality and over-priced signings, I still cannot see anyone throwing $9MM at Gaborik. Does anyone have the cap room to make this move and still remain competitive?

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agreed. Paying Gaborik 9mill would mean your team has little chance to succeed.

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Though the past free agency has seemingly been soiled with irrationality and over-priced signings, I still cannot see anyone throwing $9MM at Gaborik. Does anyone have the cap room to make this move and still remain competitive?
That's not really the question because on a perfect team that would be your highest paid player (or near). Although Gaborik being that player is highly open to debate too.

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Although Buffalo could make it work cap wise, they aren't getting Gaborik for their spare parts.

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Pominville straight up fo Gaborik.

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Pominville straight up fo Gaborik.
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Pominville straight up fo Gaborik.
This might work, but it won't happen. Besides, we have a better shot of signing Pominville then paying Gaborik 9 million a season.

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It makes no sense to me. Why would Minnesota deal their top player for three lesser, underachieving players who are all pending unrestricted free agents next summer?

If Minnesota is going to deal a sought after asset, they are going to acquire some core pieces to add to their team. Not temporary patches.

I hate it when these so called journalist (more like amateur bloggers) make crap up without thoroughly doing their homework.

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It makes no sense to me. Why would Minnesota deal their top player for three lesser, underachieving players who are all pending unrestricted free agents next summer?

If Minnesota is going to deal a sought after asset, they are going to acquire some core pieces to add to their team. Not temporary patches.

I hate it when these so called journalist (more like amateur bloggers) make crap up without thoroughly doing their homework.
I agree, Minny would want something which will be there for longer than one season.

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The Bleacher Report is garbage. I'm glad this is labeled as speculation and not rumor.

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Pominville straight up fo Gaborik.
I'd rather keep Pominville than trade him for Gaborik. Poms is just a great fit for our team, and we should be able to lock him up reasonably since he's still only RFA at the end of the year.

Meanwhile, Gaborik is going to get a pay day next year, and I cannot see the Sabres shelling out to keep him, unless they choose to spend to the cap (which we both know is unlikely as long as Quinn is still around).

And that's exactly what this article assumes: that the Sabres would spend to the cap.

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I have no opinion about Gaborik to Buffalo. I did want to point out though that the "source" here is just a blog - and not a very good one at that. This blogster just reposts rumors (some of which are on very thin ice) from other media sources or internet sites.

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Buffalo may have the cap space, but does the team itself have the budget? That would be the biggest hindrance to a deal, if Buffalo has their own internal cap set at around $50mil or so, then it's not going to work.

Other than that, they could be a good fit. Buffalo has plenty of depth at forward, allowing them to trade a number of forwards. Teams in Minnesota's situation with Gaborik rarely get full value when they're forced to trade a marquee player about to become a UFA. Minnesota is also a team trying to make the playoffs, so while they could hold out to the trade deadline and get maximum prospect value, you don't do that when you're in a playoff spot so they'll probably want to get the deal done before the start of the season and get players back that can help now.

So a deal of Afinogenov/Kotalik, MacArthur/Zapragan, and a 1st round pick for Gaborik would give Minnesota pretty good market value while at the same time they get someone to replace Gaborik in the lineup.

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Pominville straight up fo Gaborik.
Over-rate your players much?

I think you're on the right track, though. Pominville or Vanek would have to be involved in the deal for it to work.

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If Buffalo wants to trade for Gaborik, even as a pending UFA, they're going to have to part with one of Vanek/Pominville/Roy and THEN some.

I don't understand why Golisano didn't just bite the bullet a year ago and lock up Briere and Drury. That Sabres team was so good and exciting to watch. I can't believe Briere, Drury, and Campbell are all gone and Buffalo fans are acting like that was the plan all along. Spend the 6 - 7 million per for Danny and Chris and Buffalo is a contender for years and years. Plus, Briere fit perfectly in that system, whereas he's struggled in Philly and been relegated to basically a PP specialist role.

Can't believe that Buffalo team is no more. Loved watching them play, especially the 05/06 squad with Dumont, Grier, and Mckee.

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Buffalo has 36.6 million committed to 13 players next season (not including Pomniville). Realistically, with a self imposed cap @ 50 million Buffalo would have to shed some both short term and long term salary to make the deal work. Hecht is a player i could see Minny wanting, esp. after losing such a versatile player like Rolston. Buffalo doesn't exactly have a closet full of dynamite offensive prospects.

I think Afinogenov would have to be part of any deal for cap considerations. Salary wise, you are probably looking at

Hecht, Afinogenov, Kotalik, Prospect, 1st round pick.

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Gaborik.

But thats more of a quantity for quality type trade, and Minny takes on salary, which doesn't make sense in light of the Parrish buyout.

It doesn't make sense for either side. Minny should just re-up Gaborik if they can, if not, wait for some team to overpay to a redonkulous degree.


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ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
I wouldn't be so quick to laugh at that. 80 point scorers that make $1.3 million next season are pretty flippin' rare. Not to mention the fact that he has RFA status after that contract expires. He's going to command a pretty penny for sure, but a team that is making a run could really .... REALLY.... benefit from a player like Pominville making peanuts.

I'm not really sure what Minnesota fans would have in mind in regards to trading a potential UFA forward who is going to ask for, and get, the moon after this year. Does Gaborik have elite value? Yes he does. However, he's not exactly a sure bet to be with your club past this season. He seems like the type that could really benefit from going to the open market. He'd be the best UFA ever in this new system in terms of quality years still left in him and skill level. He may be your first player to approach the maximum that didn't extend his contract.

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Over-rate your players much?

I think you're on the right track, though. Pominville or Vanek would have to be involved in the deal for it to work.
Underrate Pominville much? Poms scored just 2 fewer point than Gaborik playing on a line with Hecht and Connolly/winger-du-jour, is only an RFA next year (which significantly impacts trade value), and will make significantly less money for similar production. Not to mention he's one of our best defensive forwards and PKers.

I wouldn't make that trade straight up. Gaborik may be the better player, but all things considered, Pominville has more value to Buffalo than Gaborik does.

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Afinogenov has no value. I bet Regier has been shopping him hard this off-season... I doubt he would fetch more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder at very best.

The Sabres are also deep at RW. Pominville, Stafford, Kotalik (both wings I believe), etc.

Minnesota only trades Gaborik if they are out of contention and get back lots of young assets. It makes no sense for them to move him now, and there is no way they get the same value back. They are a strong club with playoff hopes.

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