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08-24-2008, 06:02 PM
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Patrik Berglund isn't even a lock to play for the St. Louis Blues.

As an 18 year old (on the same Vasteras team), he put up and lead the team 48 points in 35 games. Much higher than the 13 points in 37 games (12th in team scoring) for Backlund.

The Backlund hype is quite sad, actually.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...031442007.html
Your grasp of the situation is quite sad actually. Backlund was playing a lot less time, and was given far fewer opportunities than Berglund. It may have been justifiable, but that is the way it was. Berglund had played on the team for years, he was very good (not as good as Backlund when he was a rookie at the WJC mind you) but he has experience, age, and size over Backlund. A comparable you may be able to grasp, would be Gagner being introduced as the first line center over Horcoff. Gagner has skill, he may become a better player than Horcoff, but he sure as hell wasn't going to be given an opportunity over a guy who has been established on the team. It would create a hell of a lot of resentment I am sure. That was part of the challenge Backlund had.

Another thing is, the longer Vasteras holds onto highly skilled players, the better the opportunity for them to be advanced into the upper league. Why should they showcase all of their talent this year and risk having them gobbled up by the NHL? If they focus hard on developing Backlund now and give him lots of opportunities to shine, it will cost the team their best prospects. It pays off to hold him down. I notice however, when they needed him in the playoffs, he was given more opportunities. And when he plays on teams such as the WJC, he shines. That has something to do with ice time and opportunity.

As for Berglund not making the Blues, I sure as hell wouldn't hold my breath on that one, but I bet they hope you are right in Vasteras.


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Backlund was playing a lot less time, and was given far fewer opportunities than Berglund. It may have been justifiable, but that is the way it was.
Well...if it is justifiable, that really says something about the player, doesn't it?

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Berglund had played on the team for years, he was very good (not as good as Backlund when he was a rookie at the WJC mind you) but he has experience, age, and size over Backlund.
Berglund began playing on that team at 17. Backlund began playing on that team at 16.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...d%5B%5D=104255

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...id%5B%5D=95388

The difference is, Berglund, as an 18 year old lead the team in scoring, whereas Backlund as 12th in scoring.


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A comparable you may be able to grasp, would be Gagner being introduced as the first line center over Horcoff. Gagner has skill, he may become a better player than Horcoff, but he sure as hell wasn't going to be given an opportunity over a guy who has been established on the team. It would create a hell of a lot of resentment I am sure. That was part of the challenge Backlund had.
The difference is Gagner wasn't introduced as a 1st line center on the Oilers because he just wasn't good enough, as an 18 year old to be one. Now, this is in the NHL.

What does it say when the alleged "one of the best 19 year old's in the NHL" can't even fight his way up in a second-tier Swedish league?

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Another thing is, the longer Vasteras holds onto highly skilled players, the better the opportunity for them to be advanced into the upper league. Why should they showcase all of their talent this year and risk having them gobbled up by the NHL? If they focus hard on developing Backlund now and give him lots of opportunities to shine, it will cost the team their best prospects. It pays off to hold him down. I notice however, when they needed him in the playoffs, he was given more opportunities.
That's a lot of nonsense. A whole lot of speculation, but without substance.

Your theory is killed when you look back at Berglund's 18 year old season, leading the team in scoring.

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And when he plays on teams such as the WJC, he shines. That has something to do with ice time and opportunity.
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So did Jani Rita.

Backlund did have an solid tournament at the WJC (mind you, a lot of his points came against weak squads), but that is hardly any indication of NHL ability.

Just ask Todd Harvey, Brad Isbister, or Trevor Kidd, among countless others.

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Backlund did have an solid tournament at the WJC (mind you, a lot of his points came against weak squads), but that is hardly any indication of NHL ability.
What people remember from his WJC tournament are the clutch plays late in games to set up wins for Sweden.

Most specifically the way he undressed the Canadian D before giving Tobias Forsberg an open net with 7 seconds left to play in the group stage game that Sweden won 4-3. That kind of play against Canadian opposition is what I imagine most North American posters here remember him for. And it was a fabulous play which showed off his potentially world class skills.

He then scored the winning goal in overtime against Russia in the semifinals on a pretty sweet play where he got around the defense and beat the goalie (very similar goal to the Russian goal in the game scored by Filatov). Interestingly he missed an open net from about 4 feet only 10-15 seconds before scoring the winning goal. During the game against Russia he looked very dangerous paired with Paajarvi.

Game 1 - Slovakia 4-3 - Backlund 0 goals + 0 assists
Game 2 - Denmark 10-1 - Backlund 2 goals + 2 assists
Game 3 - Canada 4-3 - Backlund 0 goals + 2 assists
Game 4 - Czech Rep. 4-2 - Backlund 0 goals + 0 assists
Game 5 - Russia 2-1 - Backlund 1 goal + 0 assists
Game 6 - Canada 2-3 - Backlund 0 goals + 0 assists

While nobody can argue with you that most of his points came against Denmark, he did produce clutch goals against both Canada and Russia. He also missed quite a few scoring chances during the tournament. With a bit more luck he could have had some more goals. Nobody can question his offensive skills, but for large stretches of those games he had trouble away from the puck. Even the Swedish color commentator went nuts and screamed at Backlund several times to get back into the play and pick up his man defensively. He's young and I'm sure he will only get better in those areas as he matures and develops into a very good player. But he's not there yet. Comparing him to Berglund in terms of maturity they appear to be years apart, not months.

During the WJC his coach was interviewed on TV (I believe after the win against Canada) and even he said that Backlund was the sort of player who every time he steps out on the ice he thinks offense and wants to score a winning goal. For example instead of backchecking 100% he's prone to sometimes gamble and stay high hoping for a breakaway pass (the winner against Canada came from a similar play to that). With all that enthusiasm for scoring, it's really no surprise that he sometimes neglects the defensive side of the game. I imagine that is part of why he didn't get big minutes for his senior team.

I believe you can still watch some or all the WJC games on both TSN and SVT. I suggest you check out some of those games to see him play again. If you do, don't just look for the scoring, observe his defensive positioning and if you speak swedish, listen to Wikegård curse his backchecking. After all, they are truly great games and who couldn't use some quality hockey right now?

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08-25-2008, 12:09 PM
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What people remember from his WJC tournament are the clutch plays late in games to set up wins for Sweden.

Most specifically the way he undressed the Canadian D before giving Tobias Forsberg an open net with 7 seconds left to play in the group stage game that Sweden won 4-3. That kind of play against Canadian opposition is what I imagine most North American posters here remember him for. And it was a fabulous play which showed off his potentially world class skills.

He then scored the winning goal in overtime against Russia in the semifinals on a pretty sweet play where he got around the defense and beat the goalie (very similar goal to the Russian goal in the game scored by Filatov). Interestingly he missed an open net from about 4 feet only 10-15 seconds before scoring the winning goal. During the game against Russia he looked very dangerous paired with Paajarvi.

Game 1 - Slovakia 4-3 - Backlund 0 goals + 0 assists
Game 2 - Denmark 10-1 - Backlund 2 goals + 2 assists
Game 3 - Canada 4-3 - Backlund 0 goals + 2 assists
Game 4 - Czech Rep. 4-2 - Backlund 0 goals + 0 assists
Game 5 - Russia 2-1 - Backlund 1 goal + 0 assists
Game 6 - Canada 2-3 - Backlund 0 goals + 0 assists
He's hardly the 1st guy that has taken advantage of blowouts in mismatches, but he had a grand total of 3 points outside of the Denmark slaughter. 3 points in 5 games. Solid, but not out of this world by any means.

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Everytime someone from Sweden comes to comment on Backlund, it makes the projections for him on this forum seem more and more unreasonable.

Backlund may well hit that 50-60 point plateau, but it's not going to be any time soon. He's a long-term project in terms of offensive abilities, but should be ready with his 2-way game in a couple of years to play a bottom-6 role.

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So the moderator locks one thread so you decide to bump another to continue whatever it is you are trying to do? Brutal man. The mods here have a tough job and deserve more respect than that. Grow up.

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Yes, you silly Flames Fans who have high hopes for Backlund, please stop, ignore what some of us witnessed with our own eyes and don’t listen to our GM who has said that Backlund when he plays for the Flames will in a top six role!! Stop.

Please Oiler Fans move along, we don’t need nor want your condensation and your holier then thou opinion.

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