Habs fan here that want to know your appreciation as far as Tanguay's competitiveness level? Do you guys agree with your GM? I still think that while he wasn't everybody's favorite player, I did read a lot of comments about people who were sad to see him go. I don't thin it would have been the case if he wasn't competing hard that much.
Is there any truth to this? You guys saw him play way more than we did, you're obviously the ones that would know more about that....Sure he's not a gritty player, but shouldn't we be able to differentiate competitiveness from grittiness???
Well I will miss Tanguay's finesse and play making and he is a decent two way player. I will not miss him not shooting at open nets and his "softer label". I guess it is 50-50 but he is nothing as bad as Husselius who shows up and plays when he feels like. Maybe the Mtl system will be better for Tanguay but I think the huge media pressure there will be bad as look at how Tanguay reacted to the trade rumours in Calgary.... badly.
Tanguay was alright. He's a little bit on the softer side with nice hands and vision. It seemed like he never lived up to his full potential here in Calgary mainly because he didn't really fit with Iginla and Langkow as a softish player. I think he's gonna fit the Habs like a glove and will likely get back to the 70+ plateau this season. Just don't expect him to block shots or win many battles in the corners against the other teams Dmen.
The guy makes some sick passes and a lot of them go unnoticed. He was decent in his own end this year too. There were still times though when you'd wish he'd dig in and play harder.... he tends to float. The potentials there for a great offensive season, but he's highly dependent on who he plays with. I think Sutter was mainly commenting on Huselius.
notice hows its TSN bringing up the names of Huselius & Tanguay not Sutter himself... he said 'some of our skilled players didn't compete very hard'... it was TSN putting the players names in his mouth
notice hows its TSN bringing up the names of Huselius & Tanguay not Sutter himself... he said 'some of our skilled players didn't compete very hard'... it was TSN putting the players names in his mouth
That's the first thing I noticed too. However, I think Tanguay was just a classic case of not being used correctly. It looked like we the coaching staff wanted him to be a goalscorer, 2 way player, when he should have been used as a playmaker. Oh well, I wish him the best in Montreal, and I'm happy we made a few changes to our existing line up. The status quo wasn't working and you can't keep everybody.
Tanguay was very solid in Calgary, and I thought the return we got for him was terrible. He really really really upped his defensive game, and was still good at playmaking. He played with Nolan and Conroy the majority of the year and got 50+ points, which is really good. People seem to forget how good he was in 06/07, when he got 80+ points. He didn't even lose his job on the first line, he just got pushed aside due to how good Huselius was playing with Iggy. After he was put on the 2nd line, I think his confidence shattered a bit and he started struggling. When he was put back with Iginla for small parts of the year he just couldn't get it together for some reason. To make matters worse constant trade rumors were going around, and the media kept bothering him about the trade rumors, if he liked it here etc. which made things worse. He really didn't do too well the latter part of the year, and didn't do much in the playoffs either. I think the treatment he got here was unfair, but trading him made sense since he didn't want to be here anymore. He's going to be amazing in Montreal now unfortunately, he will do great in an all out offensive team.
notice hows its TSN bringing up the names of Huselius & Tanguay not Sutter himself... he said 'some of our skilled players didn't compete very hard'... it was TSN putting the players names in his mouth
who were the other skilled players that weren't competing that sutter was talking about?
who were the other skilled players that weren't competing that Sutter was talking about?
he never said they were all gone did he?... he simply said 'adjustments have been made'... but Langkow had a sub-par season... Conroy made alot of mistakes while in the top 6... Lombardi had a year of set backs offensively... etc
He had a bit of an off year, but I still maintain that the main reason for that was that he was not utilized properly. Look what he did his first year here? He got top line minutes all the time and had a great season. He should have been playing with players that can better compliment him. I love Craig Conroy, but Tanguay needs skill guys to play with. I think he's going to get right back to the 75-80 point range with Montreal. He always gets off to slow starts, but once he gets his confidence going, he's one of the best passers in the league...
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he never said they were all gone did he?... he simply said 'adjustments have been made'... but Langkow had a sub-par season... Conroy made alot of mistakes while in the top 6... Lombardi had a year of set backs offensively... etc
if he's talking about langkow, why would he re-up him? i think conroy would have been talked about as a "skill player" maybe 3 years ago.. since then, he's more of a "role player".
i don't really see how anyone could argue that he wasn't talking about tanguay and huselius... who he got rid of.
if he's talking about langkow, why would he re-up him? i think conroy would have been talked about as a "skill player" maybe 3 years ago.. since then, he's more of a "role player".
i don't really see how anyone could argue that he wasn't talking about tanguay and huselius... who he got rid of.
i was just listing examples... im not saying he wasn't talking about both... im saying TSN puyt the names in his mouth so there is no way to know for sure who he is talking about... I personally never would have fingered Tanguay as a guy who never tried... but I also wouldn't have accused him of going balls out on every shift... so if you want to look at him being replaced by Cammalleri then it has been upgraded... same goes for Huselius who IMO has been replaced by Bourque & Glencross (I see Bert as the replacement for Nolan)... and one thing Bourque and Glencross will do is go balls out every shift... even our 'bad signing' of Lundmark is for a guy who goes balls out all the time... not that I expect him to see much if any time in the NHL
your example of lombardi is also kind of a cheap shot at him...what the hell can be expected of a player like Lombardi when his linemates are Yelle and Primeau for most of the season...those guys were still in the defensive zone by the time Lombardi was crashing the net in the O-zone solo.
your example of lombardi is also kind of a cheap shot at him...what the hell can be expected of a player like Lombardi when his linemates are Yelle and Primeau for most of the season...those guys were still in the defensive zone by the time Lombardi was crashing the net in the O-zone solo.
So, so true. I can't believe how much flack Lombardi got last sesaon for not producing when he was playing with guys like Yelle and Primeau practicallly all season. He's NEVER been given an extended look playing on a scoring line. His hockey sense is a little below average, but he's not going to reach his potential playing with checkers...
So, so true. I can't believe how much flack Lombardi got last sesaon for not producing when he was playing with guys like Yelle and Primeau practicallly all season. He's NEVER been given an extended look playing on a scoring line. His hockey sense is a little below average, but he's not going to reach his potential playing with checkers...
This isn't intended to start a flame war, I am just looking for some actual hockey talk...
Lombardi may have been stuck playing with scrubs but considering the lack of offensive depth at center last year for the Flames isn't it fair to critisize him for not being able to work his way up to the second line?
Looking at the roster I would think that it was entirely in his grasp to take more of an offensive role but was simply unconvincing to the coaches in his attempts.
This isn't intended to start a flame war, I am just looking for some actual hockey talk...
Lombardi may have been stuck playing with scrubs but considering the lack of offensive depth at center last year for the Flames isn't it fair to critisize him for not being able to work his way up to the second line?
Looking at the roster I would think that it was entirely in his grasp to take more of an offensive role but was simply unconvincing to the coaches in his attempts.
How can he not take more of an offensive role? He had more Short handed breakaways last year than any one, If he could learn how to score on a breakaway he would be probably the 3rd most offensive player on the team. I think he is a guy just aching to break out of that Marchant shell and I think this year is his year.
How can he not take more of an offensive role? He had more Short handed breakaways last year than any one, If he could learn how to score on a breakaway he would be probably the 3rd most offensive player on the team. I think he is a guy just aching to break out of that Marchant shell and I think this year is his year.
I think you missed my point.
People are suggesting that his numbers suffered because of who his line mates were. That may very well be true but he ended up with those line mates based on how he played in the first place which ultimately puts reason for the kind of season he had back on himself.
your example of lombardi is also kind of a cheap shot at him...what the hell can be expected of a player like Lombardi when his linemates are Yelle and Primeau for most of the season...those guys were still in the defensive zone by the time Lombardi was crashing the net in the O-zone solo.
Primeau is very quick and was always in the offensive zone quite quickly... you need to realize that big does not always equal slow... and Yelle didn't spend all that much time on the 3rd line... his linemates for the most part were a combination of Primeau, Nystrom, Boyd, Nolan (and yes Nolan spent a quite a while on the 3rd line) & Moss...
Lombardi didn't put up not so great numbers because of his limemates though... he put up poor numbers because he lacks offensive abilities... he is a bit of a puck hog and does not utilize his linemates effectively... and he has 2 offensive moves... quick to the outside around the defenseman then hard to the net trying to go thru the crease... or shoot it right for the middle of the net (or should I say middle of the goalies logo)...
Lombardi is the single most overrated player on the Flames and if anyone expects him to 'breakout' you will be waiting for a long time because his 20 goals in 06/07 is going to be about as good as he will get unless he suddenly develops some hockey sense in the offensive zone
Lombardi may have been stuck playing with scrubs but considering the lack of offensive depth at center last year for the Flames isn't it fair to critisize him for not being able to work his way up to the second line?
I think the coaching staff wanted to improve Lombardi's overall game. He made huge strides I thought last year. Improved defensively and was counted upon on the PK. I think this year he will be asked to be a guy that creates offence and be a top 6 guy. He put up respectable numbers offensively last year considering the role he was playing.
Primeau is very quick and was always in the offensive zone quite quickly... you need to realize that big does not always equal slow... and Yelle didn't spend all that much time on the 3rd line... his linemates for the most part were a combination of Primeau, Nystrom, Boyd, Nolan (and yes Nolan spent a quite a while on the 3rd line) & Moss...
Lombardi didn't put up not so great numbers because of his limemates though... he put up poor numbers because he lacks offensive abilities... he is a bit of a puck hog and does not utilize his linemates effectively... and he has 2 offensive moves... quick to the outside around the defenseman then hard to the net trying to go thru the crease... or shoot it right for the middle of the net (or should I say middle of the goalies logo)...
Lombardi is the single most overrated player on the Flames and if anyone expects him to 'breakout' you will be waiting for a long time because his 20 goals in 06/07 is going to be about as good as he will get unless he suddenly develops some hockey sense in the offensive zone
No. Flat out NO. Primeau may move well for a guy his size, but that does not constitute him being 'very quick'. He also hasn't been an effective player in any capacity since being acquired by Calgary. Also, Yelle did play with lombo for a large portion of the season. Yelle/Lombo/Prims were a line for pretty much the entire 2nd half of the year.
Lombardi wasn't used in offensive situations at all after like...the mid-way mark of the season. He was a PK'er and played with 2 checking forwards.
He's developed into a great defensive forward - now he'll get his shot to develop into a great 2 way forward. The best forward Lombo played with this season was either Tangs on the PK or Nolan when they played together at the start of the year. But as Tanguay now knows all too well - Nolan couldn't hit an empty net if his life depended on it...unless of course the net was actually empty at the end of the 3rd period...he seemed to score on those quite frequently.
