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02-22-2004, 12:50 PM
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Dagenais and Ribeiro

A lot of the posters here complain about the abilities of Dagenais. He can't skate, pass, and doesn't use his size. Which I don't disagree with but you have to give the guy some credit. He's not bad defensively as some posters mention and in fact is doing pretty well as he's second on the team in +/- with a +10 in 30 games. He's also tied for 4th on the team in goals and has play 25 less games so I think Dagenias could be a 25 goal scorer in the league. If he could work on his skating and passing over the summer he could be an improvement next year. Maybe a less version of Daze who is huge and doesn't hit and doesn't pass well. But knows were to go to be an affective player.

I am not saying Dagenais is the next great player or anything but I think he's better than most people give him credit for. Posters say he can only shot the puck, but isn't that the only thing Zednik can do?? Ya I know Zednik can skate too, but rarely uses it to his advantage anymore.

Another topic Ribeiro hit the 50 pts vs the Leafs and I wanted to say I predicted him to max out at about 45-50 pts this year. Riberio should hit at least 60pts this year in his first full year in the league and I think all Habs fans well be happy with this result. Better than I expected.

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Dagenais could scored 25 goals in a season...that's a fact but I don't know how long he will have a place with the big club. The young prospects like Perez, Kast, Balej...can all do all what Dagenais do, and they all can skate and pass so they will be better players. If Dags stay with the Habs, he gonna play on the fourth line and be a PP specialist.

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Yes and is playing a bit more phisical when he
get in a slump some jump all over him
but Zed is in a slump they dont say a word.
Zed as more tools but dont use them and dont
passe the puck nobody says a word
Dag dont passe the puck its a crime.

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You won't find a disgreement with me. I'm part of the minority on this boards that respects what Dagenais brings to the team. He might not be phisical, but at least he doesn't get pushed around too much. He's difinately an improvement over what we've been used to see on the second line in the past years (Petrov, Audette, Perreault, McKay, Czer, Kilger, Savage, Rucinsky, Berezin, etc.).

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Dagenais could scored 25 goals in a season...that's a fact but I don't know how long he will have a place with the big club. The young prospects like Perez, Kast, Balej...can all do all what Dagenais do, and they all can skate and pass so they will be better players. If Dags stay with the Habs, he gonna play on the fourth line and be a PP specialist.
Dags will still have a job on the team next year. The young guns are not quite ready to take his job just yet. I agree that he probably will be pushed out of the lineup at some point, but in the meantime (which will span over to the next season), he's a better spare part than we've had in the past ... IMO.

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As long as he's still scoring, he'll be useful.

But if he finds himself in a prolonged slump, there'll be no bigger waste of space on the team.

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Dagenais and Ribeiro

From what I saw of the game against Toronto, Dagenais was out there working hard every shift and hitting guys in blue and white. I disagree that his time is limited. Not only can he produce 25 or so goals a year but I think he can be a good, solid 2nd or 3rd liner for us one day. Let's not give up on him too quickly, eh?
Does anyone remember a guy by the name of Robitaille who couldn't skate or hit? Seems to me he had a pretty good career. By the way, I think we are only seeing the beginning of what Ribeiro can do.

 
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...I am not saying Dagenais is the next great player or anything but I think he's better than most people give him credit for. Posters say he can only shot the puck, but isn't that the only thing Zednik can do?? ....
No. Zednik can also play hockey. He is a far more skilled and robust player than Dagenais. No comparison.

That said, it's been years since the Habs have had a real shooter on the team...and now they have two (alright, three if you count Perreault): Souray for sheer velocity and Dagenais for his amazing release. Zedik's shot doesn't stand up against Dagenais. That counts for alot seeing that someone has to put the puck in the net...

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Yes and is playing a bit more phisical when he
get in a slump some jump all over him
but Zed is in a slump they dont say a word.
Zed as more tools but dont use them and dont
passe the puck nobody says a word
Dag dont passe the puck its a crime.
Zednik has been called a puck hog and worse by almost every poster on this board since the start of the season. Where in the hell are you getting your information? I've had it with this kind of pointless inflamatory post!

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I don't think Dagenais is useless, but if he isn't giving it 110% out there he is next thing to it.

New Jersey and Florida had already given up on the guy even though he showed his 25 goal potential in both those cities. He does have one of the best shots (if not the best) on the habs but he is still a weak top 6 forward. The reason he still has a job with the habs is the simple fact we don't have another top 6 forward to go with. The biggest problem he has, imo, is the fact that he can't play on the third or fourth line. He must be paired with a good passing centre to be effective which really gives his a versitility problem.

He is a better solution for the second (or first line, whichever you consider Ribiero's line) than our other options right now, but I believe the second we get another forward that deserves top six minutes, Dagenais will in the press box or be back in Hamilton. His situation is similiar to Perreault's in alot of ways.

We shouldn't dog him to much mind you, he is the reason Gainey got rid of Audette.

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Dags is doing an alright job, but I still think that he's filler and won't be a top 6 forward next year.

While his skating and passing skills are well documented, I do think he has to be given credit for his goal scoring ability. Even though he gets most of his goals by just being in the right place at the right time, that in itself is a skill in today's NHL.

But lets not kid ourselves. Dags brings nothing else to the team. He can not carry the puck through the neutral zone, he doesn't hit or play defence, hell he can barely complete a ten foot pass on the rare occasion he tries. This adds up to a guy who cannot create plays for himself and relies solely on the work of others to score. I don’t know about you guys, but to me, this isn’t the type of player that will take us to the next level.

Right now we need him as we have a serious lack of finishers in the top 6. But this is about to change as we have some guys with a scoring touch and can play a complete game waiting in the wings. His spot on the top 6 for next year is in serious jeopardy and is holding a position that BG will definitely be looking to upgrade.

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Zednik has been called a puck hog and worse by almost every poster on this board since the start of the season. Where in the hell are you getting your information? I've had it with this kind of pointless inflamatory post!
Didn't want to be inflamatory english is not my firt language
so some time maybe my wording is not that perfect
What i meant is that Dag as no slack 2 bad games
and every body is all over him sorry if i offend you.

And i think in the last two game he went more
in corners and hit more at least is trying now.


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Didn't want to be inflamatory english is not my firt language
so some time maybe my wording is not what perfect
What i meant is that Dag as no slack 2 bad games
and every body is all over him sorry if i offend you.
It was more a reaction to your statement about Zednik being given too much slack compared to Dagenais. Each player needs to be looked at seperately. People have been complaining about Zednik for years now that he's a puck hog. Why keep repeating the same thing over and over everytime he should have passed? It gets annoying after a while. The guy's just not going to change. Dags on the other hand is still new to the team, so people are still getting to know his style, so of course they will be more critical of him. Eventually we'll just give up on him ever getting better, and stop talking about it, so long as he scores 25-30/season.

If Zednik doesn't start producing soon though you can expect to see some Trade Zednik posts...

It also didn't help that your post was the exact same as was posted about 50 times in the last few weeks to describe Ribs/Dags vs the world comments.

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