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08-21-2008, 02:01 PM
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3-Way Deal

My first post so don't flame me. I've read these forums for like months and I was finally able to register. Sad.


To Van:
Nylander (4.875 mil)
Theodore (4.5 mil)
Was 1st
Was 3rd

To Was:
Luongo (7.5 mil)


Then.....

To Atl:
Was 1st
Was 3rd
Van 1st
Bieksa (3.5 mil)
Kesler (1.750)

To Van:
Kovalchuk (7.5 mil)


Although I am thinking Atlanta is going to have to bonus like hell now to meet the cap floor.

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08-21-2008, 02:11 PM
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No thanks from the Caps. Luongo will be too expensive too soon to be worth it.

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So Atlanta not only trades its best and most marketable player, they trade him for draft picks?

Thrasher say no. Hell, I think all three teams say no.

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I think the Caps happily do the deal. Clear cap room (Nylander), upgrade in goal (Theodore out, Luongo in), and pay a 1st and a 3rd.

If I'm in charge in D.C., I take that deal and run.


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So Atlanta not only trades its best and most marketable player, they trade him for draft picks?

Thrasher say no. Hell, I think all three teams say no.
Thats a very, very good point. I forgot to mention in my original post that I assume Kovalchuk is either going to ask for the league max and the damn Atlanta Spirit ownership group is going to be unwilling to pay it or then he will be fed up and demand a trade by the time 09-10 comes around.

In the Capital's view, what would have to be dropped? The 1st?

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Kovalchuk is not old to be traded for a bunch of draft picks. Kovalchuk for the sedin twins wouldn't be that far off though. it all depends on the salaries. Washington won't need Luongo within 2 years when Varlamov steps up.

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I don't think so

Luongo>>Theodore

plus canucks don't need kovy because their already on gaborik or sundin

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I think the Caps happily do the deal. Clear Cap room (Nylander), upgrade in goal (Theodore out, Luongo in), and pay a 1st and a 3rd.

If I'm in charge in D.C., I take that deal and run.
The problem is the Caps don't know, yet, how good Theo will be. It's not worth paying an extra 3 mil for Luongo (not to mention a 1st rounder, and the only Swedish mentor/2nd line center we have) if Theo's going to play well for us.

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plus canucks don't need kovy because their already on gaborik or sundin
srsly?

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No thanks from the Caps. Luongo will be too expensive too soon to be worth it.
So the Capitals give away:

An aging, albeit PPG forward.
A maybe top-20 goaltender. Also somewhat of a gamble.
A 1st.
A 3rd.

And recieve:

THE BEST GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE

And you refuse? Ovie carries the offense, Luongo carries the defense, and the Capitals laugh all the way into the Finals.

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08-21-2008, 02:26 PM
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So the Capitals give away:

An aging, albeit PPG forward.
A maybe top-20 goaltender. Also somewhat of a gamble.
A 1st.
A 3rd.

And recieve:

THE BEST GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE

And you refuse? Ovie carries the offense, Luongo carries the defense, and the Capitals laugh all the way into the Finals.
Agreed. And the picks are most likely going to be pretty late picks. They will continue to be a playoff team. I don't see how Capitals refuse.

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Kovalchuk is not old to be traded for a bunch of draft picks. Kovalchuk for the sedin twins wouldn't be that far off though. it all depends on the salaries. Washington won't need Luongo within 2 years when Varlamov steps up.
Saved me the trouble. McPhee already has a plan in place for his goaltending situation, and it does not involve Roberto Luongo.

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Kovalchuk is not old to be traded for a bunch of draft picks. Kovalchuk for the sedin twins wouldn't be that far off though. it all depends on the salaries. Washington won't need Luongo within 2 years when Varlamov steps up.
Ya I don't think he is old at all. Will be in his prime come UFA time... but I think Atlanta will soon realize they are not going to be able to sign Kovalchuk. I think Atlanta is looking for a much bigger return than what they received for Hossa at the deadline.

Keep in my the Atlanta Spirit own the Thrashers.

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So the Capitals give away:

An aging, albeit PPG forward.
A maybe top-20 goaltender. Also somewhat of a gamble.
A 1st.
A 3rd.

And recieve:

THE BEST GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE

And you refuse? Ovie carries the offense, Luongo carries the defense, and the Capitals laugh all the way into the Finals.
Because the Caps aren't built to rely on the goalie. They rely on the offense. Theo is a cheap (for what he brings) stopgap until Varlamov/Neuvirth/Machesney are ready. Luongo's significantly less cheap.

The Caps are up against the cap/just over. In this deal they lose their #1 goalie and get back a #1 goalie, but they also lose their 2nd line center (and likely #3 overall scorer) and get back nothing. It doesn't work out that way.

I'm not saying its a terrible deal for the Caps overall, just that it doesn't work. It fills a hole that doesn't really need to be filled, and opens up an entirely new one that the Caps couldn't fill very easily.

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Turning down getting one of the best goalies in the league at the cost of two UFA signings and a 1st and a 3rd because of a prospect?

Sorry, don't see it. As good as Varlamov may be (and Caps fans do have high hopes for him), Luongo is that good right now. At this moment. It would be insanity to pass up on acquiring him because you're worried about blocking a prospect three years down the road.

Goodness, I'm beginning to sound like Trottier.

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Ya I don't think he is old at all. Will be in his prime come UFA time... but I think Atlanta will soon realize they are not going to be able to sign Kovalchuk. I think Atlanta is looking for a much bigger return than what they received for Hossa at the deadline.

Keep in my the Atlanta Spirit own the Thrashers.
in no means am i saying it was a horrid deal, involving 2 1st rounders along with bieksa for Kovalchuk isn't bad at all, but there WILL be teams giving up good players that are ALREADY developed for him regardless of what his situation is with the team.

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Turning down getting one of the best goalies in the league at the cost of two UFA signings and a 1st and a 3rd because of a prospect?

Sorry, don't see it. As good as Varlamov may be (and Caps fans do have high hopes for him), Luongo is that good right now. At this moment. It would be insanity to pass up on acquiring him because you're worried about blocking a prospect three years down the road.

Goodness, I'm beginning to sound like Trottier.
Varlamov's not the reason the Caps don't do this deal. Nylander is. This deal cripples us at second line center, unless Laich really steps it up. It throws off our salary structure, creates a big hole that we could no longer afford to fill. If Luongo made 2 mil less, do this without question. But the Caps can't afford to spend that much in goal when they've already got a good enough starter and need the money elsewhere.

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The Canucks give up:

Luongo, Kesler, Bieksa, 1st rounder

for:

Nylander, Theodore, Kovalchuk

Maybe it's just me, but that deal doesn't improve the Canucks at all... sure Kovy is a huge upgrade on offence, but I can't stand Theodore, and does Nylander really have that much value at the moment?

Atlanta gets:

Two first rounders, a third rounder, Kesler, Bieksa

for Kovy?

This is actually pretty fair value IF Kovalchuk isn't planning on resigning. If Atlanta is planning on rebuilding, then this would be a good year to do it, and both Kesler and Bieksa are good value for their contracts.

Washington gets a huge upgrade on Theodore for Nylander, a first and a third? Who doesn't do that?

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Ya I don't think he is old at all. Will be in his prime come UFA time... but I think Atlanta will soon realize they are not going to be able to sign Kovalchuk. I think Atlanta is looking for a much bigger return than what they received for Hossa at the deadline.

Keep in my the Atlanta Spirit own the Thrashers.
Not a bad deal, given the reasons behind why each team would do this.

I think Washington doea this more than any other team involved. But I really just came in to say nice user name

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in no means am i saying it was a horrid deal, involving 2 1st rounders along with bieksa for Kovalchuk isn't bad at all, but there WILL be teams giving up good players that are ALREADY developed for him regardless of what his situation is with the team.
It's two first rounders, a third rounder, Bieksa and Kesler. That's two very solid NHLer's and two first round selections and a third in a very deep draft.

Seems like decent value to me.

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Not a bad deal, given the reasons behind why each team would do this.

I think Washington doea this more than any other team involved. But I really just came in to say nice user name
Hahahahahah.

I was actually really surprised that Selanne08 was not taken.

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Nevermind, he was talking about Kovalchuk.

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Hell yeah I want Kovy. At least then I wouldn't fall asleep during Canuck games.../exagerration. But actually..

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I like this deal, but only because I want to see Theodore get destroyed at the Pepsi Center for the right reasons

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I like this deal, but only because I want to see Theodore get destroyed at the Pepsi Center for the right reasons
Yeah seeing Theodore destroyed at the Pepsi Center while wearing an Avs jersey over and over again must not have been the most pleasant sight

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