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08-24-2008, 11:37 AM
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Colorado/Atlanta

I bet I'm gonna get torn for this but I think it'd do...

To Atlanta:
Wojtek Wolski
Kyle Cumiskey
TJ Hensick
1st in 2010

To Colorado:
Ilya Kovalchuk


Colorado aquires a new goalscoring sensation who could honestly benifit from a center like Stastny.

Atlanta aquires a great young Left Winger who could develope into a great player. They also get a very talented and mobile defender in Kyle Cumiskey who's really starting to emulate Liles in a way. They get TJ Hensick who will definately become a great reliable center and they get a 1st round pick in 2010 which could payoff.

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08-24-2008, 11:39 AM
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I bet I'm gonna get torn for this but I think it'd do...

To Atlanta:
Wojtek Wolski
Kyle Cumiskey
TJ Hensick
1st in 2010

To Colorado:
Ilya Kovalchuk


Colorado aquires a new goalscoring sensation who could honestly benifit from a center like Stastny.

Atlanta aquires a great young Left Winger who could develope into a great player. They also get a very talented and mobile defender in Kyle Cumiskey who's really starting to emulate Liles in a way. They get TJ Hensick who will definately become a great reliable center and they get a 1st round pick in 2010 which could payoff.
No way. With Kovy the 1st pick isnt going to be top 15 even. No chance. A much bigger return needed.

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08-24-2008, 11:43 AM
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Colorado would likely have to start with Stastny in any discussions involving Kovalchuk.

That said, we're talking about Don Waddell here, so I guess anything is possible.

If anyone sees Don, please be sure to tell him that Coburn says hello

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a little off topic but what about this from the canacks.

kesler
elder
hogdson
and a 2nd
for
kovy

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08-24-2008, 11:53 AM
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A combo of 2 impact players (Sakic, Stastny, Wolski, Hejduk, Svatos) would have to go to Atlanta's way + 1 prospect (future body) + 1st round pick to land Kovalchuk + 1 roster player.

In any way, I see it that if Wolski and Svatos/Hejduk were to go, Kovalchuk would more then make up for the loss.

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08-24-2008, 12:05 PM
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3 somewhat-promising prospects, none of whom have set the ice on fire, plus at best a mid-level 1st for one of the game's premier goal scorers? Why not just throw Arnason in there? The only way that package gets Kovalchuk is if he demands a trade and the other 28 teams are too busy to notice.

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08-24-2008, 01:25 PM
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Not in a million years. Kovalchuk has more talent than
the whole return put together. If you put this guy on
the ice with those other guys, he'd destroy them 3 on 1.

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08-24-2008, 01:32 PM
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If COL has a 1st in 09 youd have to add that
Deal is centered around Stanstny or Wolski/svatos or hedjuk
Van proposal is even worse

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a little off topic but what about this from the canacks.

kesler
elder
hogdson
and a 2nd
for
kovy
Edler seems like a heck of a prospect but is still unproven at the NHL level. Kesler is nice but you would have to include more IMO.

Kesler
Edler
Bernier
1st 09

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I bet I'm gonna get torn for this but I think it'd do...

To Atlanta:
Wojtek Wolski
Kyle Cumiskey
TJ Hensick
1st in 2010

To Colorado:
Ilya Kovalchuk


Colorado aquires a new goalscoring sensation who could honestly benifit from a center like Stastny.

Atlanta aquires a great young Left Winger who could develope into a great player. They also get a very talented and mobile defender in Kyle Cumiskey who's really starting to emulate Liles in a way. They get TJ Hensick who will definately become a great reliable center and they get a 1st round pick in 2010 which could payoff.
Not enough for Kovalchuk from an objective point of view. But the homer in me believes Wolski will become an 85 point Deadmarsh type so at the same time an overpayment

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08-24-2008, 02:27 PM
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People here expect too much for a star player. That's the kind of a value you get in real life.

When was the last time [post-lockout] that a star player got such a good return....[Not tarde deadline]?

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08-24-2008, 03:34 PM
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Edler seems like a heck of a prospect but is still unproven at the NHL level. Kesler is nice but you would have to include more IMO.

Kesler
Edler
Bernier
1st 09
This is the closest to actual value i have seen, if Kovy doesn't want to be back and this was offered i think they would have to consider it, this would instantly make the Canucks dangerous.

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People here expect too much for a star player. That's the kind of a value you get in real life.

When was the last time [post-lockout] that a star player got such a good return....[Not tarde deadline]?
the only non rental Star players that was traded post-lockout were Joe Thornton, and Roberto Luongo, and neither got fair value back, and that was with Thornton being traded for a top 6 winger and a #2 defenseman.

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even as a colorado fan i think the initial offer is low. It's obvious that Atlanta would want Stastny in return, and just as clear that colorado wouldn't include him in any deal, as there'd be no benefit to it.

Tough to see this happening. The most colorado could do would be a Wolski / Svatos / (Clark or Leopold) centered offer, and I bet Atlanta would get better ones if Kovy was really available.

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a little off topic but what about this from the canacks.

kesler
elder
hogdson
and a 2nd
for
kovy
Ugh I winced when I read that. Not because of the proposal.

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08-24-2008, 07:45 PM
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even as a colorado fan i think the initial offer is low. It's obvious that Atlanta would want Stastny in return, and just as clear that colorado wouldn't include him in any deal, as there'd be no benefit to it.

Tough to see this happening. The most colorado could do would be a Wolski / Svatos / (Clark or Leopold) centered offer, and I bet Atlanta would get better ones if Kovy was really available.
Yeah, sounds about right. We'd have to certainly give more than Wolski and Hensick. Cumiskey has speed but still needs defensive development, and the 1st is just a mid to late first--or a lottery pick (the cubbard's bare!!).

Statsny isn't going anywhere, so that's that. The Thrashers would likely get a better offer than what Colorado would propose otherwise, I imagine.

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If Colorado wants Ilya Kovalchuk one of Milan Hejduk and/or Scott Hannan has to be going the other way along with a couple draft picks and prospects.

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08-24-2008, 08:07 PM
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Switch Cuminsky with Svatos and I think it would be more appealing to Atlanta, but that is the maximum I would give for him

Wolski: 60 point scorer
Svatos: 30+ goal scorer
TJ Hensick: Speed Demon with great hands, I would say 60+ points in his prime
1st in a very deep draft, could be bottom top 20 if Kovy doesn work well with Stasny

All young, and have yet to reach their prime

Very fair IMO

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I see some typical laziness at hands here.

- Hannan has a NMC
- Hejduk has a NTC.
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Expect the Thrashers to ask for a young (26 or younger) #1/ #2 line center or a younger top pairing Dman in return for Kovalchuk.

Stastny, Hannan and Liles are the three players that fit the bill. Is Colorado willing to move them? No, Stastny is destined to take over the top center job from Sakic. Hannan has a NMC that he won't waive for going to Atlanta and Liles was just resigned by the Avs.

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Boys calm down.. i think whats happening here is that finnerican is confusing Ilya Kovalchuk with Jim Slater...In that case Atlanta accepts.

BRUTAL ****ING PROPOSAL

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