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08-27-2008, 02:36 PM
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Best lineup of all time?

I'm sure this has been done before but what team had the all time best line up?

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1981 Canada
Wayne Gretzky
Marcel Dionne
Gilbert Perreault
Bryan Trottier
Ken Linseman
Guy Lafleur
Clark Gillies
Mike Bossy
Rick Middleton
Danny Gare
Bob Gainey
Ron Duguay
Butch Goring

Larry Robinson
Denis Potvin
Ray Bourque
Brian Engblom
Paul Reinhart
Craig Hartsburg
Barry Beck

Mike Liut
Don Edwards
Billy Smith

Coach Scotty Bowman

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08-27-2008, 04:26 PM
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Based on names alone that '81 team looks like it might be the best. But they didn't even win.

Bill Barber, Bobby Clarke, Marcel Dionne, Phil Esposito, Bob Gainey, Danny Gare, Bobby Hull, Guy Lafleur, Guy Lapointe, Reggie Leach, Richard Martin, Peter Mahovlich, Lanny McDonald, Bobby Orr, Gilbert Perreault, Denis Potvin, Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, Steve Shutt, Darryl Sittler, Carol Vadnais, Jimmy Watson; Training camp only -- Dave Burrows, Dan Maloney, Jean Pronovost, Rene Robert and Paul Shmyr
Goaltenders: Gerry Cheevers, Glenn Resch, Rogatien Vachon; Dan Bouchard (training camp only)
Coaches: Scotty Bowman, Don Cherry, Bobby Kromm, Al MacNeil

Now there's the best lineup of all time.

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Meant NHL teams.

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The late 50's Habs had a top-6 of Jean Beliveau, Maurice and Henri Richard, Boom Boom Geoffrion, Dickie Moore, and Bert Olmstead; depth players like Ralph Backstrom, Don Marshall, Andre Pronovost, Claude Provost, and Bobby Rousseau; Doug Harvey, Tom Johnson, Jean-Guy Talbot, and Dollard St. Laurent on defense; and Jacques Plante in net.

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08-27-2008, 05:48 PM
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Habs dynasty when Olmstead was still there. Not that Bonin was bad, but career-wise, he's very far from Olmstead.

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08-27-2008, 06:43 PM
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86-87 Oilers

Tikkanen - Gretzky - Kurri
Nilsson - Messier - Anderson
Krushelnyski - MacTavish - McSorley
Hunter - - McClelland

Coffey - Huddy
Lowe - Muni
Gregg - Ruotsalinen
S. Smith

Fuhr
Moog

Hockey hall of famers: 6

-Tikkanen will probably be in the Finland hockey hall someday
-Nilsson is no doubt in the Swedish hockey hall (is in the IIHF hall of fame)
-Routsalinen IS in the Finland hockey hall

Moog is a 372 career win back up on this team!

Then there's the toughness with McSorley, McClelland, Krushelnyski
The checking of MacTavish and Tikkanen

And the best goaltender in the world (at the time) in Grant Fuhr.

Like, beat that!


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08-27-2008, 08:40 PM
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Maybe not the best all time, but to me they're the most underrated and they belong in this discussion. Since everyone's already mentioned the 50's Habs and 80's Oilers and are sure to bring up the Isles:

1951-52 Detroit Red Wings

Terry Sawchuk, Bob Goldham, Benny Woit, Red Kelly, Leo Reise, Marcel Pronovost, Ted Lindsay, Tony Leswick, Gordie Howe, Metro Prystai, Marty Pavelich, Sid Abel (captain), Glen Skov, Alex Delvecchio, John Wilson, Vic Stasiuk, Larry Zeidel, Jack Adams (manager), Tommy Ivan (coach),

The two leading scorers in the league with Howe and Lindsay. The (I grudgingly admit) best forward line in NHL history in the production line. In my opinion the best goaltender of all time playing the best hockey of his life, or close to it. The second best dman of the era and 6th all time IMO in Kelly. With Pavelich, Leswick, Skov, and Prystai there's some of the best two way hockey in NHL history. Delvecchio is among the best second liners ever. And with Kelly, Lindsay, and Abel you have leadership that can't be beat.

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08-27-2008, 10:49 PM
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Pick a year for the Habs from '56-60. That is my pick.

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Based on names alone that '81 team looks like it might be the best. But they didn't even win.

Bill Barber, Bobby Clarke, Marcel Dionne, Phil Esposito, Bob Gainey, Danny Gare, Bobby Hull, Guy Lafleur, Guy Lapointe, Reggie Leach, Richard Martin, Peter Mahovlich, Lanny McDonald, Bobby Orr, Gilbert Perreault, Denis Potvin, Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, Steve Shutt, Darryl Sittler, Carol Vadnais, Jimmy Watson; Training camp only -- Dave Burrows, Dan Maloney, Jean Pronovost, Rene Robert and Paul Shmyr
Goaltenders: Gerry Cheevers, Glenn Resch, Rogatien Vachon; Dan Bouchard (training camp only)
Coaches: Scotty Bowman, Don Cherry, Bobby Kromm, Al MacNeil

Now there's the best lineup of all time.
This is Canada Cup '76, right?

I don't want to sound like I'm nitpicking, but what the hell.

1) The question was best lineup, not best team, and I think the '81 team is man-for-man more talented than the '76 team.
2) The Soviets were better in '81 than in '76.
3) Short tournaments like Canada Cup aren't neccessarily the best indicators of the best team. A bit of bad luck is all the difference in a short tournament.
4) We're comparing Jessica Biel to Scarlett Johansson ... both of these are awesome choices.

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86-87 Oilers

Tikkanen - Gretzky - Kurri
Nilsson - Messier - Anderson
Krushelnyski - MacTavish - McSorley
Hunter - - McClelland

Coffey - Huddy
Lowe - Muni
Gregg - Ruotsalinen
S. Smith

Fuhr
Moog

Hockey hall of famers: 6

-Tikkanen will probably be in the Finland hockey hall someday
-Nilsson is no doubt in the Swedish hockey hall (is in the IIHF hall of fame)
-Routsalinen IS in the Finland hockey hall

Moog is a 372 career win back up on this team!

Then there's the toughness with McSorley, McClelland, Krushelnyski
The checking of MacTavish and Tikkanen

And the best goaltender in the world (at the time) in Grant Fuhr.

Like, beat that!
The late 50's Canadians teams had 9 hall of famers and are without doubt the best lineup ever. I'd take the 76-77 Canadians squad over this Oiler team as well.

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This is Canada Cup '76, right?

I don't want to sound like I'm nitpicking, but what the hell.

1) The question was best lineup, not best team, and I think the '81 team is man-for-man more talented than the '76 team.
2) The Soviets were better in '81 than in '76.
3) Short tournaments like Canada Cup aren't neccessarily the best indicators of the best team. A bit of bad luck is all the difference in a short tournament.
4) We're comparing Jessica Biel to Scarlett Johansson ... both of these are awesome choices.
I'm gonna take a look.
'76 HHOFers (17): Lafleur, Perreault, Clarke, Barber, Sittler, Dionne, McDonald, Gainey, Hull, Shutt, Esposito, Orr, Potvin, Robinson, Lapointe, Savard, Cheevers

Players who are arguable HHOFers (3): Vachon, P. Mahovlich, Resch
Players who were playing like HHOFers at the time (3): Gare, Leach, Martin


Now for the '81 team
'81 HHOFers (11): Gretzky, Trottier, Bossy, Lafleur, Perreault, Dionne, Gainey, Gillies, Bourque, Robinson, Potvin

Players who are arguable HHOFers (3): Middleton, Liut
Players who were playing like HHOFers at the time (1): Goring


The clear edge is with the '76 team no contest. Plus the fact that more of the '76 team was smack in the middle of their prime.

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'77 Habs for me.

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I'm gonna take a look.
'76 HHOFers (17): Lafleur, Perreault, Clarke, Barber, Sittler, Dionne, McDonald, Gainey, Hull, Shutt, Esposito, Orr, Potvin, Robinson, Lapointe, Savard, Cheevers

Players who are arguable HHOFers (3): Vachon, P. Mahovlich, Resch
Players who were playing like HHOFers at the time (3): Gare, Leach, Martin

Now for the '81 team
'81 HHOFers (11): Gretzky, Trottier, Bossy, Lafleur, Perreault, Dionne, Gainey, Gillies, Bourque, Robinson, Potvin

Players who were playing like HHOFers at the time (1): Goring

The clear edge is with the '76 team no contest. Plus the fact that more of the '76 team was smack in the middle of their prime.
The biggest name on '76 is Orr and while he was still awesome in the tournament, he was at the absolute end of his rope.

HHOF status notwithstanding, Cheevers and co look weaker to me than Liut/Smith and co.

A lot of players on both teams ... Trottier and Clarke are a wash, Guy Lapointe and Serge Savard are beasts, but so is Bourque ... the 'role players' (not that they're actually role players) are pretty close (advantage '76), but at the end of the line, I see Gretzky and Bossy v Esposito and Bobby Hull. Either way, you're not doing poorly ...

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The biggest name on '76 is Orr and while he was still awesome in the tournament, he was at the absolute end of his rope.

HHOF status notwithstanding, Cheevers and co look weaker to me than Liut/Smith and co.

A lot of players on both teams ... Trottier and Clarke are a wash, Guy Lapointe and Serge Savard are beasts, but so is Bourque ... the 'role players' (not that they're actually role players) are pretty close (advantage '76), but at the end of the line, I see Gretzky and Bossy v Esposito and Bobby Hull. Either way, you're not doing poorly ...
That '76 defense alone is sickening. POtvin, Orr, Robinson, Savard and Lapointe are all HHOFers. Only Bourque and Robinson on the '81 team fit the bill.

Gretzky had finished his 2nd season and while he was the best in the world in '81 he wasnt near what his best would be and he was hardly better than Lafleur or Clarke at that time, if at all. The '76 forwards blow the '81 crop out of the water. There are some nice players on the '81 team but considering Mahovlich is kind of one of the weaker forwards speaks volumes.

The '76 goaltending beats '81 though for sure. Smith didnt play. But even if you stack up the three '76 goalies (Vachon, Cheevers, Resch) I think they beat the '81 goalies (Liut, Edwards, Smith).

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The late 50's Canadians teams had 9 hall of famers and are without doubt the best lineup ever. I'd take the 76-77 Canadians squad over this Oiler team as well.
Some of those hall of fame choices, like Bert Olmstead (inducted 23 years after his last game) are questionable.

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Some of those hall of fame choices, like Bert Olmstead (inducted 23 years after his last game) are questionable.
As is Anderson.

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As is Anderson.
Touche..

Have you ever looked at Olmstead's stats?

Not only is Anderson a better choice for hall of fame induction but so is Esa Tikkanen!

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I like the Red Wings team 2002! It was a sick team:

Stanley Cup Roster
# Name
19 Steve Yzerman "C"
24 Chris Chelios
11 Matheiu Dandenault
13 Pavel Datsyuk
21 Boyd Devereaux
33 Kris Draper
28 Steve Duchesne
91 Sergei Federov
2 Jiri Fischer
39 Dominik Hasek
96 Tomas Holmstrom
17 Brett Hull
8 Igor Larionov
34 Manny Legace
5 Nicklas Lidstrom
18 Kirk Maltby
25 Darren McCarty
27 Fredrik Olausson
20 Luc Robitaille
14 Brendan Shanahan
71 Jiri Slegr
29 Jason Williams

If we are talking about one line only I think the KLM line is the greatest ever:
Krutov, Larionov, Makarov (Fetisov, Kasatonov)

/Cheers

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Ottawa Senators -- 1922-23 (Total 10 Players/8 HHOFers)

ForwardsAgePOSHHOF?
Eddie Gerard 32LWYes
Cy "The Cornwall Colt" Denneny 31LWYes
Frank "The Flying Dutchman" Nighbor 29CYes
Harry Helman 28RWNo
Jack Darragh 32RWYes
Punch "Punch" Broadbent 30RWYes
Lionel "Hitch" Hitchman 21DNo*
Francis "King" Clancy 19DYes
Georges "Buck" Boucher 26DYes
Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict 30GYes
Total: 10 Players8 HHOF-ers


* - (Boston: number retired February 22, 1934, first professional hockey player to have number retired)

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Ottawa Senators -- 1922-23 (Total 10 Players/8 HHOFers)

ForwardsAgePOSHHOF?
Eddie Gerard 32LWYes
Cy "The Cornwall Colt" Denneny 31LWYes
Frank "The Flying Dutchman" Nighbor 29CYes
Harry Helman 28RWNo
Jack Darragh 32RWYes
Punch "Punch" Broadbent 30RWYes
Lionel "Hitch" Hitchman 21DNo*
Francis "King" Clancy 19DYes
Georges "Buck" Boucher 26DYes
Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict 30GYes
Total: 10 Players8 HHOF-ers


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Bingo, I went into this thread thinking about this team. So incredibly dominant.

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I like the Red Wings team 2002! It was a sick team:

Stanley Cup Roster
# Name
19 Steve Yzerman "C"
24 Chris Chelios
11 Matheiu Dandenault
13 Pavel Datsyuk
21 Boyd Devereaux
33 Kris Draper
28 Steve Duchesne
91 Sergei Federov
2 Jiri Fischer
39 Dominik Hasek
96 Tomas Holmstrom
17 Brett Hull
8 Igor Larionov
34 Manny Legace
5 Nicklas Lidstrom
18 Kirk Maltby
25 Darren McCarty
27 Fredrik Olausson
20 Luc Robitaille
14 Brendan Shanahan
71 Jiri Slegr
29 Jason Williams

If we are talking about one line only I think the KLM line is the greatest ever:
Krutov, Larionov, Makarov (Fetisov, Kasatonov)

/Cheers
I have a soft spot for the 97 team.

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It's easy to look at it on an individual to individual basis and get lost in the "which player was better that this player" from position to position. But I suppose that is the wording of the question. Best lineup, but not necessarily best team, right? Hard to keep them separate for me.

Fact is, the Canadiens lineups of the late 70s had a winning percentage of 80% for three seasons in a row. That's pretty impressive and should factor in highly.

Similarly, Dick Irvin's Bill Durnan-backed Cup winners of 43-44 are reputed as a pretty dominant team of that era.

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The '70s Habs...10 losses in '73, 10 losses in '76, 8 losses in '77, 10 losses in '78. Any one of those teams were scary good

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