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08-31-2008, 02:00 PM
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To Senators
D Cam Barker

To Hawks
SJ 1st

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I will keep Barker in Chicago, no thanks!

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Is it really worth it for Ottawa now? They've got Phillips, Volchenkov, Kuba, Smith, Picard, and Schubert on the big team, and Lee is most definitely going to be playing on the big team. That's already one man out as Picard would have to go through waivers. There's pretty much no room to add Barker and keep playing all these guys.

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So we move our just now turning into the player he was drafted to be defenseman for a late first round pick? Brutal.

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I like Barker but he is far too costly for a 3rd pairing guy. And he is a RFA next year. I dont want to deal with that after seeing the trouble we had with Ruutu.

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Surprised this one comes from a hawks fan.

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No from both teams.

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I'd much rather have Barker than a late round pick.

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Then one of our top 6 gets edged out and it isn't good for our franchise if we get a reputation for aquiring players and not giving them a chance

I would rather keep the first

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I like Barker but he is far too costly for a 3rd pairing guy. And he is a RFA next year. I dont want to deal with that after seeing the trouble we had with Ruutu.
Absolutely nuts.

For Barker to play on the second or first pairing, the only defensemen has has to beat is Sopel. Yes, Brent Sopel. And, regardless of the nominal pair he plays on even strength, he should get quite a bit of power play time.

As far as his RFA status, I think Ladd would be a more apt comparision.

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Surprised this one comes from a hawks fan.
I concur

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Is it really worth it for Ottawa now? They've got Phillips, Volchenkov, Kuba, Smith, Picard, and Schubert on the big team, and Lee is most definitely going to be playing on the big team. That's already one man out as Picard would have to go through waivers. There's pretty much no room to add Barker and keep playing all these guys.
can someone be that homer that they woudn't get a good young player like Barker who has the potential to replace Redden as there #1*defensmen for a 25-30th pick?

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can someone be that homer that they woudn't get a good young player like Barker who has the potential to replace Redden as there #1*defensmen for a 25-30th pick?
It'd be more beneficiary to give Schubert and Smith time, as they will be a very physical pairing, as well as giving Lee more ice time. We also have Karlsson, Picard, and Wiercioch in the system now and they may come soon. Those will be NHL spots that Barker will occupy.

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The author of this offer obviously does not speak for most Hawk fans..

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Absolutely nuts.

For Barker to play on the second or first pairing, the only defensemen has has to beat is Sopel. Yes, Brent Sopel. And, regardless of the nominal pair he plays on even strength, he should get quite a bit of power play time.

As far as his RFA status, I think Ladd would be a more apt comparision.
Well Campbell and Seabrook will get more PP time. And Barker still hasn't shown himself to be the offensive dman most claim he is.

Sopel played far better then Barker last year. I dont think the coaches will move him to the 3rd pairing. And what do we do with Janik? We have too many dman and need to open up a slot.

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The author of this offer obviously does not speak for most Hawk fans..
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Well Campbell and Seabrook will get more PP time. And Barker still hasn't shown himself to be the offensive dman most claim he is.

Sopel played far better then Barker last year. I dont think the coaches will move him to the 3rd pairing. And what do we do with Janik? We have too many dman and need to open up a slot.
barker had the highest PPG ratio of any of the Hawks d-men. If he had played 82 games he would have been the highest scoring defenseman.

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can someone be that homer that they woudn't get a good young player like Barker who has the potential to replace Redden as there #1*defensmen for a 25-30th pick?
How was I being a homer? I was just stating that acquiring Barker now after we've traded for Kuba and Picard doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because someone isn't going to be playing when they should be, and someone won't be developing. Not all of these guys can go to the AHL.

I don't think Barker will be replacing anyone as a #1 defenseman. He's a real good young defenseman, but I'd take Lee in the future over him anyway.

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Barker would block young defenseman coming up through your system? I'm sorry, but what? He would immediately become the best young defenseman in your system. If the Hawks made this move I'd be absolutely furious.

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Barker would block young defenseman coming up through your system? I'm sorry, but what? He would immediately become the best young defenseman in your system. If the Hawks made this move I'd be absolutely furious.
Not coming up through our system, on our team now. Picard was just acquired to come in and play, and is on a one way deal and Lee is on the team. I'm not convinced Barker is any better than Lee anyway, and I'm not sure why you assume he'd be the best young defenseman in our system.

At this time, it's not good asset management. That doesn't mean Barker isn't good, there's just other holes that could be filled.

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I'd make that trade and run away laughing. If that means that Ottawa has to move some lower tier guys like Schubert or Picard, then so be it.

Barker is worth tons more than a 25ish pick.

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I'd make that trade and run away laughing. If that means that Ottawa has to move some lower tier guys like Schubert or Picard, then so be it.

Barker is worth tons more than a 25ish pick.
it'd be Barker, Picard, and Kuba for Mez. talk about running away laughing.

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Not good asset management? Do you honestly believe Barker has less trade value then a late first round pick?

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Not good asset management? Do you honestly believe Barker has less trade value then a late first round pick?
it isn't a knock on Barker.
The Sens are just full on D.

Phillips Volchenkov
Smith Kuba
Picard Lee
Schubert

Bell, Nycholat.

Sens just signed Smith, he's staying. Barker isn't knocking off Philchenkov. Kuba plays over Barker. Then you have 9th overall pick from 2005 (I think it was 05) Brian Lee who the Sens have been patient with and now seems ready to crack the big club. Picard was also just acquired via trade and apparently Murray insisted he was part of the deal. Most likely he's staying.

Obviously Barker would place above Bell/Nycholat but the fact remains that somebody would have to be pushed to the press box. Considering the Sens are already carrying 2 young d-men who are going to play (otherwise you'd hurt their development) you can't really add in a 3rd. I'd be thrilled if we got Barker, there just isn't really any room there right now IMO.

the Sens also seem like they might have a glut of forwards as well, so I would think Murray would rather try to move some redundancies.

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Not good asset management? Do you honestly believe Barker has less trade value then a late first round pick?
So we trade just to trade? Why don't you make a direct trade to another team?

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