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09-01-2008, 01:11 PM
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Toronto Flordia Pittsburgh

To Flordia: McCabe & 4th (Tor)

To Toronto: J. Staal

To Pittsburgh: Steen, Van Ryan 3rd (Tor 09)

Just thought this up, it seems fair to me, but then again I am a Leafs fan

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Let me save pens fans some typing....

Jordan Staal is a great player. An NHL person said he wanted Staal over Malkin, which automatically means he's better.

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So Pittsburgh takes a huge downgrade for the present and future at center, all for a defenseman they don't need and a magical 3rd.

jeffleafsfan91, you've met your match.

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To Flordia: McCabe & 4th (Tor)

To Toronto: J. Staal

To Pittsburgh: Steen, Van Ryan 3rd (Tor 09)

Just thought this up, it seems fair to me, but then again I am a Leafs fan
You don't say!

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To Flordia: McCabe & 4th (Tor)

To Toronto: J. Staal

To Pittsburgh: Steen, Van Ryan 3rd (Tor 09)

Just thought this up, it seems fair to me, but then again I am a Leafs fan
Wow. People that think Toronto wins hard, think again. Staal is good but he struggled a bit last year and to give away McCabe, 4th, 3rd (I don't even think we have it) and Steen for him is a big NO.

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Jordan Staal may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. Hes no Marc or Eric. Not that hes going to be bad, but I can't see him ever being more than a good first liner.


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Jordan Staal may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. Hes no Marc or Eric. Not that hes going to be bad, but I can't see him ever being more than a good first liner.
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Also, he is actually said to have the most potential of any Staal brother. It's just a matter of him being in a position to use it, which he really isn't in Pittsburgh. He is overrated on these boards sometimes, but Pens fans wanting something valuable in return for him is because his potential really is that great. Just look at how he was able to play in these playoffs as a 19 year old. It really does speak volumes. You can't see Staal's potential on a stat sheet.

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Jordan Staal may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. Hes no Jared or Eric. Not that hes going to be bad, but I can't see him ever being more than a good first liner.

I'd actually argue just the opposite.

Lots of poster offer up deals in which they cherry pick Staal from Pitt. The assumption is that Staal's value is relatively low because he had a low scoring season as a sophmore, like a billion other eventual stars in NHL history.

Staal snuck into the NHL as an 18-YO and shocked everybody with a 30 goal season. If he did not have a comedown last year, especially with more talented offensive forwards in front of him, I'd be shocked. But, what he did show last season was incredible grit, defensive ability, and the capacity to contribute in every end of the ice. In a lot of ways, I thought he was even better as a sophmore than as a rookie. He was fantastic in the playoffs, which bodes well for his future.

At worst with Staal, you've got a big strong defensive center who is likely to be elite in his own end of the ice. At best, you've got a demon two-way player who will score 35-40 goals a year and dominate opposing centers.

Good luck getting a guy like that out of Pitt for a McCabe, Steen, and some picks.

A deal for Staal would have to include Schenn. In fact, I think Toronto would have to add to Schenn to get Staal.

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Not that hes going to be bad, but I can't see him ever being more than a good first liner.
What a travesty of a post.

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Wow. People that think Toronto wins hard, think again. Staal is good but he struggled a bit last year and to give away McCabe, 4th, 3rd (I don't even think we have it) and Steen for him is a big NO.
Leafs should thank god you are not their GM then.

Original proposal is horribly skewed in favor of Toronto, one of the worst this board has seen and this board has seen a LOT of bad ones.

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Also, he is actually said to have the most potential of any Staal brother. It's just a matter of him being in a position to use it, which he really isn't in Pittsburgh. He is overrated on these boards sometimes, but Pens fans wanting something valuable in return for him is because his potential really is that great. Just look at how he was able to play in these playoffs as a 19 year old. It really does speak volumes. You can't see Staal's potential on a stat sheet.
Thank you for fixing that. I did put the wrong brother in.

He has potential, but he gets treated as a Malkin talent by many, which isn't fair to him. And I dont see how being a good first liner is a travesty.

Out of curiosity, what was his HF potential rating?

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As a leafs fan I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not that it'd ever EVER happen. Id' take that "good" first liner any day. It's also awesome how anybody can compare his NHL future against two of his brothers (Jared/Marc) that haven't done anything in the NHL yet.

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Jordan Staal may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. Hes no Marc or Eric. Not that hes going to be bad, but I can't see him ever being more than a good first liner.
So you wouldn't trade Alex Steen and Bryan McCabe for a good first line center that's terrific defensively and on the PK?

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Jordan Staal may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. Hes no Jared or Eric. Not that hes going to be bad, but I can't see him ever being more than a good first liner.
Is Jared really that good? He was picked the lowest of all of them, and someone posted that he had the highest BMI at the prospects thing before the draft...

EDIT - Nevermind I saw that you changed it.

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Thank you for fixing that. I did put the wrong brother in.

He has potential, but he gets treated as a Malkin talent by many, which isn't fair to him. And I dont see how being a good first liner is a travesty.
I wouldn't go as far as he gets treated like Malkin. There are some Pitt fans who can overrate him a bit, but I haven't seen anything ridiculous. Like someone said, to get Staal in Toronto, it would have to be Schenn and a little more at this stage in the game.

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As a leafs fan I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not that it'd ever EVER happen. Id' take that "good" first liner any day. It's also awesome how anybody can compare his NHL future against two of his brothers (Jared/Marc) that haven't done anything in the NHL yet.

Marc had a pretty impressive rookie season with the Ranger$.

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As a leafs fan I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not that it'd ever EVER happen. Id' take that "good" first liner any day. It's also awesome how anybody can compare his NHL future against two of his brothers (Jared/Marc) that haven't done anything in the NHL yet.
Marc's actually pretty good...

Good enough to probably be NY's top guy this year.

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Leafs should thank god you are not their GM then.

Original proposal is horribly skewed in favor of Toronto, one of the worst this board has seen and this board has seen a LOT of bad ones.
Yes a team rebuilding and needing to have as many picks as they can give up 1 great and young 2-way forward, 2 draft picks and McCabe to get Staal. I don't like it at all. I think he's a tad bit overrated.

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So you wouldn't trade Alex Steen and Bryan McCabe for a good first line center that's terrific defensively and on the PK?
I didnt say that. I would do the deal. The overrating comment is more in response to the usual dismissals and scoffs when the thought of trading him is even mentioned. I like him, but I just don't see him being a superstar player.

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Yes a team rebuilding and needing to have as many picks as they can give up 1 great and young 2-way forward, 2 draft picks and McCabe to get Staal. I don't like it at all. I think he's a tad bit overrated.
So, Steen is "a great young 2-way forward" but Staal is "overrated?"

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So, Steen is "a great young 2-way forward" but Staal is "overrated?"
I'm not saying Staal isn't good, I'm saying he's overrated. I wouldn't give 3 young guys for him like that while we are rebuilding. We need Quantity right now, where we lack. Once we get quantity, start going for quality.

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I'm not saying Staal isn't good, I'm saying he's overrated. I wouldn't give 3 young guys for him like that while we are rebuilding. We need Quantity right now, where we lack. Once we get quantity, start going for quality.
Good thing you're not a GM, you've just described the Pittsburgh Pirates method of rebuilding. We're on something like year 16 or 17 now of a quantity over quality rebuild, it's such an awesome style. When you can give up 3 interchangeable scrubs that will last 5-6 years at best in a relevant role for someone with star potential, it's a no brainer unless you're an organization with no money and are just trying to run a team on life support which is the exact opposite of the Leafs.

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