Come to think of it....A definite No to the Schneider trade as well. Why should we trade a interesting prospect for a guy Anaheim NEEDS to get rid of. Seems that the return of Selanne is more important to them than Schneider. If so, taking him and his salary is giving them a big favor. While teams could be in competition, rest of the league still have the advantage on that trade. At best a Dandenault/Bouillon and a 4th for him.
'Cause in the end the trade ends up as Dandenault, 4th, cap room and keeping Selanne for Schneider....
No and NO. Halak will be more important than we think. As for Schneider, sure he'd help the Habs. But getting rid of him would help Brian Burke more. I just don't want to help Burke get out of his cap problems. Screw him.
In Halifax this weekend, Gainey spoke very highly of Price(makes perfect sense) & also spoke of Denis, but didn't mention a word about Halak.
I may have been reading too much into that, but it certain seemed like Denis is going to be given every chance to be Price's backup this season.
Sure he is going to be given a chance but it would take a miracle for him to make it. He would have to totally outplay Halak which is not going to happen.
Come to think of it....A definite No to the Schneider trade as well. Why should we trade a interesting prospect for a guy Anaheim NEEDS to get rid of. Seems that the return of Selanne is more important to them than Schneider. If so, taking him and his salary is giving them a big favor. While teams could be in competition, rest of the league still have the advantage on that trade. At best a Dandenault/Bouillon and a 4th for him.
'Cause in the end the trade ends up as Dandenault, 4th, cap room and keeping Selanne for Schneider....
I completely agree. Why would we need to give up an actual valuable asset in D'Agostini for a player they want to get rid of for basically nothing? Burke is begging for cap space, nothing of value should go their way, we'd be doing them a favour.
In Halifax this weekend, Gainey spoke very highly of Price(makes perfect sense) & also spoke of Denis, but didn't mention a word about Halak.
I may have been reading too much into that, but it certain seemed like Denis is going to be given every chance to be Price's backup this season.
If people actually think Marc Denis wasn't signed to give the Canadiens an option to trade Halak if the opportunity arises, they are very naive.
For that matter, if people think Denis signed here without being told he had an excellent chance to get back to the NHL if he plays well, again, they are very naive.
Denis is not an AHLer, he's an NHLer who's fallen from grace. He's also an insurance policy.
Yes for the Schneider deal but I really don't like the Halak trade for Hanzus.The Kings have Bernier coming up in a year or 2,I don't see why they would go after Halak.If they want Halak they gotta give us back either O'Sullivan or Frolov
Denis needs to believe and should, if everything goes right becoming our backup in the near future. Still, at best, like Melanson said, it's a big confidence issue with Denis and he won't build that prior to the beginning of season. Based on that, it means that Halak should be the backup, and Denis will build his confidence in Hamilton and hopefully do well. Then later in the season, and maybe as far as the trade dealine, it means that Denis joins the Habs while Halak becomes trade material but because he would have done a good job (or so I hope....), the return for him, maybe in a package, becomes more important than Handzus.
Everybody already mentioned that it would be nice to have a vet presence around Price and Denis fits that category. So if he does well, for sure he'll be the best backup we can have but moreso 'cause Halak has also way more value than a Denis might have.
But again, since that openly the org. is saying that they have a confidence job to do on Denis, I just don't see him building that confidence by being a backup at the beginning of the season but as a starter with the Dogs.
I do have a lot of confidence that Marc will get his game back actually....
Come to think of it....A definite No to the Schneider trade as well. Why should we trade a interesting prospect for a guy Anaheim NEEDS to get rid of. Seems that the return of Selanne is more important to them than Schneider. If so, taking him and his salary is giving them a big favor. While teams could be in competition, rest of the league still have the advantage on that trade. At best a Dandenault/Bouillon and a 4th for him.
'Cause in the end the trade ends up as Dandenault, 4th, cap room and keeping Selanne for Schneider....
Amen !
I would love to see Schneider with the Habs , but no way i would give D'Agostini for him . Schneider is 38 years old and will win over 5 m$ next season ; they need to get ride of him .
1)Schneider could surely help the team but his aquisition would effectively spell the end to the idea of aquiring a good offensive centre as he will eat up most of the available cup space. And I would want to see more of D'Agostini who could become the next Ryder and I don't mean last season's Ryder. In fact, in his first couple of AHL seasons, Ryder had a couple of stints in the ECHL and wasn't nearly as effective as D'Ago untill his breakout third year. And, just like Ryder, he is a righty - a quality not found among our offensive forwards. I am on the fence here.
2)Absolute no: Halak has a potential to become a starter and giving him up for a second coming of Smolinski at 4ml per would be a crime.
No to both, I don't want any of these guys for that price, for anaheim Schneider is a salary drop and I want to give another chance to D'ago before trading him. We need our young guys. I would like to give a chance to O'byrne for a full time spot on the team.
Oh yeah, you're getting a pretty unanimous vote here. Yes and no too.
Evolution has passed Dandy by and D'Agostini might never see the light of day in MTL. I'd trade them for Schneider, he's still worth it and it would be a nice story to have another 1993 vet on the team (I consider Brisebois in, in whatever capacity. Carbo just wants him in)
But I wouldn't trade Halak right now. If you trade him and then Price is jittery, I'm not ready for Denis getting starts in MTL, the man is in rebuilding mode.
Montreal trades Dandenault who most think has outlived his usefulness and is on the decline (shaving $1.725 M in salary cap) and a prospect who most likely at best is an AHLer for a 38 year old defencemen (gaining $5.625M in salary) past the best years of his playing days (he is not going to make the difference in winning a Cup -sorry). Anaheim might buy into it as it gains $3.4M in their salary Cap to sign Selanne while Montreal's Salary Cap rises by $3.9M to $54M.
Then LA if they are willing agrees to trade their #1 centre Handzus (Cap hit of $4M) for Halak, an inexperienced goalie, to go with Bernier and Labarbera. That leaves Denis (who needs to work on his game big time) as the back up to Price, at a salary equal if not more than Halak's, and an ECHL minor league goalie as the back up in case of injury.
After both trades Montreal's salary Cap would then be over $58M requiring Mr.Gainey to shed some salary before the season starts. Sorry, for me it is a resounding "no" on both counts.
