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09-02-2008, 07:33 PM
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wasn't comparing him to Malkin and I agree is not on his level. Just the point, that you can have more than 1 franchise player on a team.
and my point is i agree you can have more than one franchise player a team yes, but i do not think he is a franchise player YETso right now kovy>getzalf.....

that being said, kovy has been a franchise player for a while supported by players not in even in Gretzalf's league....

honestly, atlanta imo should be moved to hamilton based on how they have done business....

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09-02-2008, 09:29 PM
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These proposals have sucked so far.

And for the record, Kovalchuk scored 50 goals in Atlanta nearly by himself. He didn't play on a line with Hossa, and Hossa was dealt to Detroit at the deadline.

At this point, Kovalchuk >>>> Getzlaf.

Maybe in a few years, we'll be speaking otherwise. But a 50 goal scorer who was 2nd in the league in goals only to Ovechkin's insane 65 goals on one of the worst teams in hockey is definitely worth more to me than a young power forward who still has yet to peak.

Kovalchuk is only 25 years old. Just remember that...

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honestly, atlanta imo should be moved to hamilton based on how they have done business....
Really? The fans should be punished because management has put out a terrible product year after year? Remind me what market (other than Toronto) has sold well after during a long bad stretch?

Zero play off wins in 8 seasons under the Thrashers. Only one or two playoff wins ever under the Flames! in 15 NHL seasons the city of Atlanta has never seen a team that advanced in the playoffs--NOT ONE STINKING TIME!

Even the Red Wings had to give away cars at Joe Louis Arena after sucking for years. Even the Oilers went through a rough patch after their dynasty years came to a close.

It makes far more sense to improve the management team than move a franchise in the 8th largest media market in the USA.

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09-02-2008, 09:32 PM
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Really, the fans should be punished because management has put out a terrible product year after year? Remind me what market (other than Toronto) has sold well after during a long bad stretch?

Zero play off wins in 8 seasons under the Thrashes. Only one or two playoff wins ever under the Flames. Atlanta has never seen a team that advanced in the playoffs--EVER.

Even the Red Wings had to give away cars at Joe Louis Arena after sucking for years. Even the Oilers went through a rough patch after their dynasty years came to a close.

It makes far more sense to improve the management team than move a franchise in the 8th largest media market in the USA.
New York in 98-2004. but yeah Atlanta doesnt deserve to be moved, they have a good fanbase, its just Don Waddel who craps the bed.

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09-03-2008, 12:46 AM
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These proposals have sucked so far.

And for the record, Kovalchuk scored 50 goals in Atlanta nearly by himself. He didn't play on a line with Hossa, and Hossa was dealt to Detroit at the deadline.

At this point, Kovalchuk >>>> Getzlaf.

Maybe in a few years, we'll be speaking otherwise. But a 50 goal scorer who was 2nd in the league in goals only to Ovechkin's insane 65 goals on one of the worst teams in hockey is definitely worth more to me than a young power forward who still has yet to peak.

Kovalchuk is only 25 years old. Just remember that...
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09-03-2008, 01:43 AM
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Wow, homer alert.

I'm pretty sure every GM in the league would deal Getzlaf for Kovalchuk, and then some.

Kovalchuk is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more valuable.
Uh no.

There is no way the ducks would trade Getzlaf for Kovalchuk.

There is nothing homer about his statement, Watch Getzlaf play once in a while.

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Uhh, i guess you could say Lupul was responsible for "leading" the ducks to the WCF because he scored 4 goals in one game?? What did Getzlaf do that was so great that earns him that kind of recognition?

Put Kovy on a team as skilled as the ducks and let's see what numbers he coud put up. Everyone thought Hossa was a dud in the post season and then he's next to Crosby...we all know what happens next.

All i'm sayin is, put Getzlaf on Atlanta with no supporting cast for 4 years and see what his trade value is.
Did you watch the 2007 playoffs at all? Getzlaf was our best forward.

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09-03-2008, 01:48 AM
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what 'Gamebreakers' are on Atlanta other than Kovalchuk? none. how about Anaheim, hmm lets see Giguere, Pronger, Selanne, Perry, Neidermayer, should i keep going?
So this is the basis of your guys' argument?

Kovalchuks lack of supporting cast makes him better?

Getzlaf is a way more complete player, and he's actually done something in the playoffs.

There is no way in hell the ducks would trade Getzlaf for Kovalchuk, especially given the current contract situations.

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09-03-2008, 01:49 AM
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These proposals have sucked so far.

And for the record, Kovalchuk scored 50 goals in Atlanta nearly by himself. He didn't play on a line with Hossa, and Hossa was dealt to Detroit at the deadline.

At this point, Kovalchuk >>>> Getzlaf.

Maybe in a few years, we'll be speaking otherwise. But a 50 goal scorer who was 2nd in the league in goals only to Ovechkin's insane 65 goals on one of the worst teams in hockey is definitely worth more to me than a young power forward who still has yet to peak.

Kovalchuk is only 25 years old. Just remember that...
Do you even watch Getzlaf play? Be honest.

Getzlaf was the best forward on a cup winning team
Kovalchuk=not

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09-03-2008, 02:30 AM
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The trade proposal in the first post is a crime against nature. My God.

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and my point is i agree you can have more than one franchise player a team yes, but i do not think he is a franchise player YETso right now kovy>getzalf.....

that being said, kovy has been a franchise player for a while supported by players not in even in Gretzalf's league....

honestly, atlanta imo should be moved to hamilton based on how they have done business....
As long as you call him that, I now believe everything you say!

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09-03-2008, 02:55 AM
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the thing i dont understand is that how many times have you seen kovalchuk play?.....honestly...

im a rangers fan and i can tell you that he is well above average defensively....and his speed makes most opposing defensemen back-up early making it even easier to break out of the zone

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the thing i dont understand is that how many times have you seen kovalchuk play?.....honestly...

im a rangers fan and i can tell you that he is well above average defensively....and his speed makes most opposing defensemen back-up early making it even easier to break out of the zone
For an above average defensive player, Kovalchuk has been a negative player his entire career. For every 50 goals he scores, he gives up 60. lol. And don't use the bad team excuse because Hossa was a positive player for two of his three seasons in Atlanta.

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With the current contract situation, I'd keep Getzlaf.

But Hypothetically speaking, as a rental at the trade-deadline and I had the choice of Getz or Kovalchuk, I'd take Kovy. Because, the said team is already good enough to go to the playoffs, so the intangibles Getzlaf has might not be as great as the scoring Kovy has value wise to the team.

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With the current contract situation, I'd keep Getzlaf.

But Hypothetically speaking, as a rental at the trade-deadline and I had the choice of Getz or Kovalchuk, I'd take Kovy. Because, the said team is already good enough to go to the playoffs, so the intangibles Getzlaf has might not be as great as the scoring Kovy has value wise to the team.
It's not even just intangibles. Getzlaf is a top flight offensive player in his own right and his style of play is conducive to playoff success.

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Do you even watch Getzlaf play? Be honest.

Getzlaf was the best forward on a cup winning team
Kovalchuk=not
I do watch him play, and he's good, but he's not nearly as good as Kovalchuk is.

If you ask a panel of experts, I guarantee you most of them would say they would take Kovalchuk over Getzlaf. If you surrounded Kovalchuk with the caliber of talent that Getzlaf has been surrounded with, he'd be a 55-60 goal 100+ point guy like Ovechkin.

Not only that, but Getzlaf wasn't the best player on the team in the finals. That was definitely Travis Moen, who had the MAJORITY of his 7 goals in the finals, and even if Moen wasn't their best player, they had some guy named Scott Niedermayer that WON THE CONN SMYTHE, and some other guy named JS Giguere who was nominated for it. Not to mention Pronger, Selanne, McDonald, Perry, and Beauchemin were all on that team.

I couldn't even imagine what Kovalchuk could do on that team.

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Do you even watch Getzlaf play? Be honest.

Getzlaf was the best forward on a cup winning team
Kovalchuk=not
Right....

You hold on to that belief.

Let the rest of the league pick Kovalchuk while you hold on to Getzlaf. I don't think a single person would mind.

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Right....

You hold on to that belief.

Let the rest of the league pick Kovalchuk while you hold on to Getzlaf. I don't think a single person would mind.
getzlaf was easily the ducks best forward during the cup run. Not even god himself was better than Getzlaf IMO.


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If you were to take Getzlaf and Kovalchuk and remove who they play with, their contracts, intangibles, etc... I would pick Kovalchuk (and Getzlaf is my fave Ducks' player).

However, the NHL doesn't work like that and when you do factor all those things, I pick Getzlaf over Kovalchuk right now without hesitation.

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If you were to take Getzlaf and Kovalchuk and remove who they play with, their contracts, intangibles, etc... I would pick Kovalchuk (and Getzlaf is my fave Ducks' player).

However, the NHL doesn't work like that and when you do factor all those things, I pick Getzlaf over Kovalchuk right now without hesitation.
Kovalchuk is a little girl,Anahiem doesnt pick little girls, Go fight comrie with ur gloves on you little girl

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No joke, for the ducks, it makes more sense to have Getz than Kovy at this moment. If they lost their top center, they'd be up a river.

Kovy is a better player IMO, and if I were to choose between the two, i'd take him. Even with contracts. Considered. For the ducks though, they would be breaking even.

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However, the NHL doesn't work like that and when you do factor all those things, I pick Getzlaf over Kovalchuk right now without hesitation.
Yeah, the way the Ducks work, Getzlaf is more valuable to the team.

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For an above average defensive player, Kovalchuk has been a negative player his entire career. For every 50 goals he scores, he gives up 60. lol. And don't use the bad team excuse because Hossa was a positive player for two of his three seasons in Atlanta.
uhh......even good defensive players can be in the negative.....drury, peca, iginla and ovechkin have all had years where they ended up negative but that doesnt mean they are bad defensively....hell peca is a defensive specialist.....plus/minus has a ton to do with who you are playing with....hell, ill give you an example.....marek malik was about +32 two seasons ago when he played with jagr, nylander, straka and rozsival.....malik isnt signed by ANYONE right now.....if plus/minus means so much why havent all the teams in the nhl jumped all over him?

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To the O.P. um hell no from a Rangers perspective. I'm sick of all these proposals that "help" us clear cap space.

As for the Getzlaf vs. Kovalchuk debate. Seriously??? Why is this even a debate. Don't get me wrong. I think getzlaf is a decent player, but Kovalchuk is the better, more skilled player. Hell, he's a 40 goal scorer for almost his entire career and been in the league for seven years. Getzlaf has had a great season last year, but unless he can put up the points more regularily and not just when he's looking for a contract extension, then the argument will have some basis. In Kovalchuk, you got a definite hockey prodigy. Those don't come along regularily.

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Wow a deal involving 2 and a half (drury is the half) franchise players? Just thinking about the problems that will create for the jersey companies will negate this deal.

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