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Haven't really seen a single offer that I would personally do. It doesn't necessarily mean that all the offers have been bad (although most have been), but none of them really help the Avs out enough in both the "now" and the "future" to justify selling off Morris.
The Avs currently have a nice balance of 3 stay at home dmen (4 if you want to count Boughner) and 3 two-way dmen. Therefore if the Avs were to trade Morris right now in the midst of a cup run, then they would need to get back at least someone who can play just as good of a two-way game to fill the hole Morris would leave. Now, this offseason, well, that's a different story all together.
Colorado's choice of a Sabre goalie
Colorado's choice of Pyatt, Afinogenov or Kotalik
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Morris
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Originally Posted by DanielBriere48
Pyatt because no matter what I say I get bombarded about how Pyatt is the next Bertuzzi,and that Pyatt is the hardest working Sabre.
Really? All I see are people saying that they think Pyatt is a harder worker than you give him credit for and that he's not the scapegoat of the team that you make him out to be. But I may have missed one or two of those conversations.
Theodore , Perreault, 4th pick 2004
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Morris, Worell, Colorado 1st pick 2004 and 2005?
Scratch the Colorado 1st and it sounds alright. Theo is a good goalie for certain but the fact that you lot would deal him speaks to some of his recent struggles. YP isn't worth anything at this point. He can be had for nothing soon if anyone wants him. Morris is solid and the Avs would need a defenceman in return if they were to deal him. I would say that if you fixed this to be,
Theo Hainsey
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Morris Worrel you would be closer. It depends on the value that Colo puts on Worrel. Most feel that it will be unecessary to have a pugilist on the team next year since the mandatory visor will put an end to (effectively) fighting. Worrel and his ilk will have to truly develope thier games to have any real value.
i think you're looking too much towards the future, bud. the Avs will take what they can get now, and run with it. Frolov or Ruutu would be nice, but if the Avs traded Morris for Kolzig, Gonchar, and Carter, i'd crap myself. and I'm still surprised the Caps would take it.
Two, Morris isn't working out as well as the Avs, arguably the most talented team in the league had hoped he would. He is a nice piece to the puzzle for some teams but why would the Hawks want him enough to deal thier top prospect and a pick when he hasn't established his self as one of the best young defencemen in the game?
Why would the Kings deal an established and budding star in his second year who does every aspect of his game right for a defenceman when they are stupidly deep at that position?
I mean, you are dealing a defenceman when you need one and you don't see what that says about his talent? Morris and a first round pick this year and a third next year for Frolov or for Ruutu and a third would both be scoffed at by thier respective teams.
Two, Morris isn't working out as well as the Avs, arguably the most talented team in the league had hoped he would. He is a nice piece to the puzzle for some teams but why would the Hawks want him enough to deal thier top prospect and a pick when he hasn't established his self as one of the best young defencemen in the game?
Why would the Kings deal an established and budding star in his second year who does every aspect of his game right for a defenceman when they are stupidly deep at that position?
I mean, you are dealing a defenceman when you need one and you don't see what that says about his talent? Morris and a first round pick this year and a third next year for Frolov or for Ruutu and a third would both be scoffed at by thier respective teams.
How will we need a defenseman after this season? We'll have Blake, Foote, Liles, Skratins, Boughner, Sauer, Ballard, Boychuk, Slovak, and Viitanen coming into camp next year if we decide to sign Bougner and Skratins. I'm offering up Morris because he's our most valuable trading chip, and we need a top 6 forward. I know you're in love with Frolov, but how is a potential top line forward for a potential #1 defenseman worth "scoffing" at?
How will we need a defenseman after this season? We'll have Blake, Foote, Liles, Skratins, Boughner, Sauer, Ballard, Boychuk, Slovak, and Viitanen coming into camp next year if we decide to sign Bougner and Skratins. I'm offering up Morris because he's our most valuable trading chip, and we need a top 6 forward. I know you're in love with Frolov, but how is a potential top line forward for a potential #1 defenseman worth "scoffing" at?
exactly, especially when potential #1 d-men are so much harder to find than potential top line forwards?
Two upcoming UFAs and a promising young defenseman?
Roman Hamrlik may be an upcoming FA as well, but it's far more likely the Avalanche spend money on a #1 defenseman as opposed to a 3rd line center and back-up goaltender.
Oleg Kvasha has a ridiculous set of skill, plain and simple. He is a big boy and can dominate on occasional shifts. It's the work ethic and consistency that need to be addressed in his game, and with the Avalanche likely losing Paul Kariya, Peter Forsberg, Steve Konowalchuk and Teemu Selanne, it'd be nice to have a legitimate top six scoring presence on the wings.
Then you are also saying that Morris for Boughner or Liles or Skratins or Sauer or Ballard or Boychuk etc would be fair. You are saying that you value them over Morris if you would rather keep them instead of him. If he is a #1 defenceman then why have you made so many recent moves to nab second rate blue liners like Sauer? I mean, you are trying to say that he is a true number one yet want to move him when your team has been off getting other defenceman. The simple fact he is on offer speaks volumes about him and your teams confidence in him.
He is a young talented defenceman. If he were a true #1 then why would you move him? Why wouldn't you keep him and move one of Skratins or Liles etc instead? The fact is that he isn't living up to your expectations and yet, you would want to move him to a team or teams that a, aren't looking to move the players you are metioning there by driving up thier value and b, as always, over valuing your own talent and under valuing others.
You love to hammer me for speaking of Frolov but set ONE example of an opinion of mine that can't be backed by facts on him. Do the same for TR. You won't be able to.
Morris is a fine young defenceman but if YOU want to move him for talent from another team that the onus is on YOU to make the deal one that the team you are looking to trade with can't walk away from.
The Kings have Matty,Corvo,Lubomir,Grebeshkov,Rome,Modry,Zizka,Pe tiot,Holland,Muir,Kuzntesov and Miller (god willing) all either playing in the NHL or at the ready soon enough. Where would taking away thier top young scoring forward and developing star for another defenceman make any sense? What about Frolov for Morris is the kind of deal that would make the Kings go "OHH! We have to do it". You are talking about fair value then I hold Morris as a valuable player and while I think that he isn't worth Frolov or TR, I do see him as a top young developing talent with some good value.
This isn't a situation though were fair value would *ever* come into play. The Kings and the Hawks wouldn't move thier top young scoring forwards for a #2(maybe)3-4(defenitely) defenceman. Why would they? To give a rival a leg up? Also, if Morris is so bloody great then why do YOU want to move him for a player you have called "nice but not as good as Kings fans think he is"?
That is why I feel the deal is lopsided. Why would the Kings want this deal? Why would the Hawks want this deal? What is the reason for either of them to move these lads for Morris?
