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Florida sends Mike Van Ryn to Toronto for Bryan McCabe and a 2010 4th round pick

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09-02-2008, 05:30 PM
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Belak , McCabe and how about Sundin?

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So... Does this trade enhance or subtract the likelihood of Sundin re-signing in TO?

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The untradeable contract has been traded.
Untradeable contract? He's making 5.75 million, is he not? That's a bargain for a real PP QB. A guy that can net 50+ points (or almost 70 2 seasons ago). I'm curious what you think McCabe would've gotten on the open market?

I'm guessing in the 6 million X 6 year range.

And before you laugh, remember, some tool gave Wade Redden 6.5 million a year...for the next 6 years.

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Yeah now you can do that with Jeff Finger. Your rebuilding team just got shafted for a draft pick for the second time this summer and your happy about this?
I wouldn't say shafted. The pick Cliff gave up here is one round lower than the 3rd the Leafs received in the Chad Kilger trade, who has yet to even play a game for the Panthers. So it's kind of like they're just evening things out.

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Untradeable contract? He's making 5.75 million, is he not? That's a bargain for a real PP QB. A guy that can net 50+ points (or almost 70 2 seasons ago). I'm curious what you think McCabe would've gotten on the open market?

I'm guessing in the 6 million X 6 year range.

And before you laugh, remember, some tool gave Wade Redden 6.5 million a year...for the next 6 years.
with a NMC, he was essentially untradeable... at least not for equal value.

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09-02-2008, 05:39 PM
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About time.

No more holding my breath whenever McCabe is on the ice. Doesn't matter where he is either. Offensive zone, neutral zone, defensive zone, the guy is a liability everywhere. I can't believe anyone was willing to take him at that cap hit for what he (doesn't) provide.

Good riddance.
Van Ryn is not much more different, but who knows, ex-Panthers have a tendency to do extremely well after being traded (see: Huselius, Hagman, Boyle, ect. the list is pretty big).

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He still had to agree to go to Florida, though. That's the part that I don't get. You'd think he'd hold out for a better team, or just stay in Toronto.
Personally I'm wondering if the Leafs got such a bad return because McCabe would only agree to go to Florida. We don't know exactly who else was involved but there should've been a few more teams interested that could've upped the asking price, but McCabe said no and shut the door on that. Florida really isn't that bad a team, the forward group is a work in progress but they're very strong on the back end and in net. And maybe McCabe & family wants the warm weather & lack of media attention.

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Untradeable contract? He's making 5.75 million, is he not? That's a bargain for a real PP QB. A guy that can net 50+ points (or almost 70 2 seasons ago). I'm curious what you think McCabe would've gotten on the open market?

I'm guessing in the 6 million X 6 year range.

And before you laugh, remember, some tool gave Wade Redden 6.5 million a year...for the next 6 years.
That's his cap hit, Leaf fans have mentioned that his actual contract (or what the teams owner has to pay) is something like $4.25M for the remaining 3 years.

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Fletcher's genius capspace savings plan:



OUT ------- IN

Tucker ($3.0/3yrs) -------- Hagman ($3.0/4yrs) + Tucker Buyout ($1.0/6yrs)
Kilger ($0.9/1yrs) -------- Mayers ($1.3/1yrs)

McCabe ($5.75/3yrs) ------- Finger ($3.5/4yrs)
Gill ($2.1/1yrs) -------- VanRyn ($2.9/2yrs)
Kronwall ($0.5/1yrs) ------- Frogren ($1.0/2yrs)

Raycroft ($2.0/1yrs) ------- Cujo ($0.7/1yrs) + Raycroft Buyout ($.6/2yrs)


Cap difference:

Year 1: $14.25 --------- $14.00
Year 2: $8.75 --------- $11.9
Year 3: $8.75 --------- $7.5
Year 4: $0.00 --------- $1.0
Year 5: $0.00 --------- $1.0
Year 6: $0.00 --------- $1.0



now that's some impressive running around in circles right there.

If you notice, the team doesn't get any younger in the process, gets significantly less talented, and let's remember that Cliff has managed to give away 7-8 draft picks in the process.

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About time.

No more holding my breath whenever McCabe is on the ice. Doesn't matter where he is either. Offensive zone, neutral zone, defensive zone, the guy is a liability everywhere. I can't believe anyone was willing to take him at that cap hit for what he (doesn't) provide.

Good riddance.

Yeah, right.

Would you like me to go back and drag out a couple of your posts where you talk about how great McCabe is and how much it would take to get him in a trade? Just a week ago, you had declared that McCabe was worth more in deal than any Islander.

I think all the posters who have been taunting Leaf fans about McCabe are pretty low class, but these revisionists posts are just as bad.

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Yeah, right.

Would you like me to go back and drag out a couple of your posts where you talk about how great McCabe is and how much it would take to get him in a trade? Just a week ago, you had declared that McCabe was worth more in deal than any Islander.

I think all the posters who have been taunting Leaf fans about McCabe are pretty low class, but these revisionists posts are just as bad.
Go ahead.

And for the record he IS worth more than everyone on the Islanders minus Dipietro.

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lol if you are trying to compare Finger's and McCabe's defensive play, you probably should stop (or rather don't start) watching hockey.

Secondly, I think you misread fourth as first. Might want to update that prescription.
Your team is rebuilding no? So far this summer they sent the Rangers (thank you) thier 5th for Hollweg who is as pure a 4th liner as they come. Then you give up a 4th to get rid of the better player, salary dump or not. If my team was rebuilding like the Leafs I would want all the picks I could get. This deal did nothing to help the rebuild, if anything it hindered it. Man the Leafs are a mess. Luke Schenn is the prize that came out of everything since last year?

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I wouldn't say shafted. The pick Cliff gave up here is one round lower than the 3rd the Leafs received in the Chad Kilger trade, who has yet to even play a game for the Panthers. So it's kind of like they're just evening things out.
Your team should be stockpiling picks, not sending them out in salary dump trades and deals for 4th line players. Thats just me though.

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Yeah now you can do that with Jeff Finger. Your rebuilding team just got shafted for a draft pick for the second time this summer and your happy about this?
I guess my initial response to this post was deleted because it wasn't very nice but here's a summary:

- Finger and McCabe defensive play are not comparable
- It's a fourth not a first

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Go ahead.

And for the record he IS worth more than everyone on the Islanders minus Dipietro.

Right so it would take Okposo and 4th rounder to get Van Ryn, or Comeau and a 4th rounder to get Van Ryn, or Bailey and a 4th rounder to get Van Ryn.

What a joke your posts are. You're not only incredibly biased and homeristic, you then go on to deny being biased and homeristic when reality smacks you in the face.

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with a NMC, he was essentially untradeable... at least not for equal value.
NMC doesn't mean he's untradable, well maybe only in Toronto it does. Leafs created thier own monster though, thats for sure.

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Seems to be the same old same old for the Maple Leafs as demonstrated by zeke's excellent post.

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Your team is rebuilding no? So far this summer they sent the Rangers (thank you) thier 5th for Hollweg who is as pure a 4th liner as they come. Then you give up a 4th to get rid of the better player, salary dump or not. If my team was rebuilding like the Leafs I would want all the picks I could get. This deal did nothing to help the rebuild, if anything it hindered it. Man the Leafs are a mess. Luke Schenn is the prize that came out of everything since last year?
How many fourth or fifth round picks currently play on the Rangers? Zero?

How many fourth or fifth round picks ever have a full career in the NHL? 1%?

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NMC doesn't mean he's untradable, well maybe only in Toronto it does. Leafs created thier own monster though, thats for sure.
How many players with NMC's have been traded? There is no hard and fast rule with this. Some players may be more accomodating in waiving while others, like McCabe, may be more stubborn.

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Right so it would take Okposo and 4th rounder to get Van Ryn, or Comeau and a 4th rounder to get Van Ryn, or Bailey and a 4th rounder to get Van Ryn.

What a joke your posts are. You're not only incredibly biased and homeristic, you then go on to deny being biased and homeristic when reality smacks you in the face.
OK, I'll add Okposo to that list too. Happy?

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Great trade for Toronto!

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Untradeable contract? He's making 5.75 million, is he not? That's a bargain for a real PP QB. A guy that can net 50+ points (or almost 70 2 seasons ago). I'm curious what you think McCabe would've gotten on the open market?

I'm guessing in the 6 million X 6 year range.

And before you laugh, remember, some tool gave Wade Redden 6.5 million a year...for the next 6 years.
Exactly.

Here's another way to think about it: if the Leafs had held on to McCabe and not bothered wasting money on Jeff Finger this summer (a defenseman so bad he was kept in the press box while the Avalanche defense was being torched by the Red Wings), their difference in cap dollars would be 2 million per year (which they are not planning to spend anyway), and their difference in real dollars (since they had to pay McCabe's bonus anyway) would some something like 650k per year.

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Okposo has technically never been on the Islanders roster, my statement still stands.

I wonder how he played in those 9 games, and scored 5 points, without being "on the roster..."

And, that doesn't even begin to account for the fact that there are probably a dozen other players on the Isles roster that have more trade value than Van Ryn minus a fourth rounder.

Comeau alone WITHOUT an added pick could have easily gotten Van Ryn. In fact, the Leafs would have been falling all over themselves if they could have gotten that return instead of Van Ryn.

Heck, Radnek Martinek, who is basically a 4/5 dman on a good team has more market value than Van Ryn.

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Go ahead.

And for the record he IS worth more than everyone on the Islanders minus Dipietro.
Okposo? Comeau? Bergenheim? Campoli? Bailey? Heck, I think Comrie could fetch McCabe.

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