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09-02-2008, 08:48 PM
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Komisarek is 10 months from being a UFA: What are we waiting for?

I love BG as a GM but one thing about him that drives me nuts is his practice of not signing potential UFA's before their current contract is up. With some of the ridiculous signings by D-men this offseason (Commodore, Redden, Meszaros), you would have to think that if Komi hits the market, someone is going to open the vault to get this hulk's signature on the dotted line. The other worrisome part is that the Habs desperately need Komisarek as we don't feature many players with his size and warrior qualities (extremely physical and imposing top minutes defenceman who is solid at both ends of the ice and keeps getting better every year). He just isn't replaceable on this team. And no, Ryan O'Byrne will NEVER be as valuable as Komisarek. Nothing against O'Byrne but Komisarek is a very rare specimen in this league.

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Wasn't Markov a UFA or close to becoming one? What's the urgency? I understand that Komi is valuable, but if he wants to stay, we'll keep him, nothing to worry about.

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Komisarek is 10 months from being a UFA: What are we waiting for?
The answer is quite simple...Tampa Bay! You're gonna deal his rights for a 1st round draft pick and Komisarek will be a Bolt for life!

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I highly doubt Komisarek would leave.Gainey will sign him before July 1st for at least 4 years and as many as 6.

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Wasn't Markov a UFA or close to becoming one? What's the urgency? I understand that Komi is valuable, but if he wants to stay, we'll keep him, nothing to worry about.
The closer he gets to UFA eligibility, the more tempting it is for him to wait it out and see what kind of offers he'll get throughout the league. What does he have to lose? That's what his agent will be telling him.

Markov's situation is different than Komi. Markov is an introverted Russian who has adjusted to Montreal lifestyle. Habs had other Russians on the team and Russians seem to enjoy living in Montreal (maybe closer to what they're used to in terms of culture). Re-adjusting to another North American city would have been much more difficult for Markov than it would be for Komisarek.

Also, as I mentioned....each time another d-man signs a ludicrous contract, Komi's market value gets that much higher.

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I love BG as a GM but one thing about him that drives me nuts is his practice of not signing potential UFA's before their current contract is up. With some of the ridiculous signings by D-men this offseason (Commodore, Redden, Meszaros), you would have to think that if Komi hits the market, someone is going to open the vault to get this hulk's signature on the dotted line. The other worrisome part is that the Habs desperately need Komisarek as we don't feature many players with his size and warrior qualities (extremely physical and imposing top minutes defenceman who is solid at both ends of the ice and keeps getting better every year). He just isn't replaceable on this team. And no, Ryan O'Byrne will NEVER be as valuable as Komisarek. Nothing against O'Byrne but Komisarek is a very rare specimen in this league.
If you watched Komisarek early in his career he was was quite raw and prone to making some big gaffs in his first season compared to O'Byrne. Nothing against Komisarek but defensive defencemen can be replaced.

I would defintely like to see Komisarek re-signed but not at an exorbitant price. Four years (at most) at $3-4 million a year max.

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The closer he gets to UFA eligibility, the more tempting it is for him to wait it out and see what kind of offers he'll get throughout the league. What does he have to lose? That's what his agent will be telling him.

Markov's situation is different than Komi. Markov is an introverted Russian who has adjusted to Montreal lifestyle. Habs had other Russians on the team and Russians seem to enjoy living in Montreal (maybe closer to what they're used to in terms of culture). Re-adjusting to another North American city would have been much more difficult for Markov than it would be for Komisarek.

Also, as I mentioned....each time another d-man signs a ludicrous contract, Komi's market value gets that much higher.
Although I do agree about the difference between the two, Komisarek, like Markov, has always stated loving Montreal. The value will always be there and whatever his value is at that time is what we'll pay. If he doesn't want to stay in Montreal and wants to test the market, I don't think that he'd sign now and I certainly don't buy into the temptation being greater at the end of the season. If we have a great team, a great playoffs' run, he'll want to win and if he likes Montreal the way he says he does, I don't see the urgency in re-signing him. The risk may be a bit higher, but not by a wide margin in my humble opinion.

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If you watched Komisarek early in his career he was was quite raw and prone to making some big gaffs in his first season compared to O'Byrne. Nothing against Komisarek but defensive defencemen can be replaced.

I would defintely like to see Komisarek re-signed but not at an exorbitant price. Four years (at most) at $3-4 million a year max.
Are you nuts?
You think Komisarek will make less than Mark Streit?
I hope Gainey signs Komisarek to 7 years 33-37mil.

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I would defintely like to see Komisarek re-signed but not at an exorbitant price. Four years (at most) at $3-4 million a year max.
Have you been secluded in a cave this summer? Mike frickin' Commodore got $3.75 million per season long-term. If Redden can fetch $6million per season long-term, there is no doubt in my mind that Komisarek could fetch the same if he hits the UFA market.

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I would defintely like to see Komisarek re-signed but not at an exorbitant price. Four years (at most) at $3-4 million a year max.
Komisarek is more than just your average defensive defenceman. The numbers you are proposing are borderline insulting.

Consider these deals:

Roman Hamrlik - $5.5
Pavel Kubina - $5
Michal Roszival - $5
Kim Johnsson - $4.85
Ron Hainsey - $4.5
Scott Hannan - $4.5
Eric Brewer - $4.25
JM Liles - $4.2
Mark Streit - $4.1
Robyn Regehr - $4
Adrian Aucoin - $4
Jay McKee - $4
Tom Gilbert - $4
Joni Pitkanen - $4
Ryan Whitney - $4
Andrei Meszaros - $4

I take Komisarek long term over any one of those guys. At a bare minimum if im Komisarek and his agent im looking for a long term deal at $4.5 to 5 million per. And if im Bob Gainey im willing to pay it.

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With Hamrlik making 5.5 million for Montreal, how do you not pay your best defenseman more than that? No, I think if Montreal will have to be awfully darn enticing to get Komisarek to sign for less than $6 million per season. There are probably a dozen teams or more willing to shell out that kind of money for Mike for sure.

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With Hamrlik making 5.5 million for Montreal, how do you not pay your best defenseman more than that? No, I think if Montreal will have to be awfully darn enticing to get Komisarek to sign for less than $6 million per season. There are probably a dozen teams or more willing to shell out that kind of money for Mike for sure.
We do pay our best defenseman more than 5.5M. Markov makes 5.75M.

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If you watched Komisarek early in his career he was was quite raw and prone to making some big gaffs in his first season compared to O'Byrne. Nothing against Komisarek but defensive defencemen can be replaced.

I would defintely like to see Komisarek re-signed but not at an exorbitant price. Four years (at most) at $3-4 million a year max.
I dont think he is worth 6m either...

he NEVER plays on pp.

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With Hamrlik making 5.5 million for Montreal, how do you not pay your best defenseman more than that? No, I think if Montreal will have to be awfully darn enticing to get Komisarek to sign for less than $6 million per season. There are probably a dozen teams or more willing to shell out that kind of money for Mike for sure.
wellI agree that Komi plays incredibly well defensively but offensively he's certaoinly not the best, which in my opinion makes it pretty hard for him to get 6 millions loll Hamrlik and Markov both play on the PP and produce well, at least more than Komisarek

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WOW thank you for giving me a heart attack!

I only read "Komisarek" and "ten months", I thought he was injured.

Now if you will excuse me, I need to go outside and wait for the ambulance.

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Gainey didn't seem remotely concerned about pending UFa's when asked today...like its not even on his radar yet.

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With Hamrlik making 5.5 million for Montreal, how do you not pay your best defenseman more than that? No, I think if Montreal will have to be awfully darn enticing to get Komisarek to sign for less than $6 million per season. There are probably a dozen teams or more willing to shell out that kind of money for Mike for sure.
Because you can't renegotiate contracts during the CBA. Hamrlik has to deal with his 5.5


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wellI agree that Komi plays incredibly well defensively but offensively he's certaoinly not the best, which in my opinion makes it pretty hard for him to get 6 millions loll Hamrlik and Markov both play on the PP and produce well, at least more than Komisarek
You have to take into account the ridiculous rate of inflation in the NHL for UFA's, especially defencemen (Jeff Fingers anyone??). Also, had Markov actually hit the UFA market in 2007, he would have received offers higher than the $5.75m per season that he accepted to stay with Montreal. If Komi hits UFA the market next summer, he will undoubtedly receive offers over $6m per season. I'm not saying he's worth that much but that's why I'd like to see him get locked sooner rather than later when it becomes more tempting to see what's out there (whether he likes it in Montreal or not).

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Gainey didn't seem remotely concerned about pending UFa's when asked today...like its not even on his radar yet.

Like I mentioned in my original post, that's my one and only beef I have with Gainey.


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Like I mentioned in my original post, that's my one and only beef I have with Gainey.
I actually see it as a positive. No panic. Can't say that his track record doesn't speak for itself...

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Mike will be a Montreal Canadien for his whole career,and future captain of this hockey club for many years to come
Sounds like a lot of fun, but is this any more than a gut feeling?

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I dont think he is worth 6m either...

he NEVER plays on pp.
What's your reasoning behind PP being worth more than EV and PK? Seems to me that PP specialists are available pretty cheap, if you look hard enough. I'm sure there are more Streits and Enstroms in Europe. Berard is a training camp tryout. Obviously I'd rather have Markov, he's good in all situations, and phenomenal on the PP. But I don't see how Komi is less valuable because he spends his 20+ min/game in other situations. Maybe I'm missing something, please let me know if I'm misunderstanding your theory.

Anyway, to the OP - I'm pretty sure it's not Gainey's decision to wait, it's Komi's. If you're his agent in this situation, do you advise him to sign now, or after the season?

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you,ll have to negocaite komi,pleckenec,higgins.kovalev.koivu,thy all finish at same time and theres only 7.5 million in cap room. and if i was komisarak agent i would not sign under 6 million because i would get 7 out there or more if streit got 4.1 and hamerlik got 5,5 at his age .unly one choice for montreal you trade him but before i see what is agent ask first to see if says 7 million montreal with cap room left and all the players to sign there'sknow choice to trade him.im would not be surprise of a trade soon for big center if sundin not come here,

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Quite the rumble over $3-4M per year.

I highly doubt Mr. Gainey is not going to sign Komisarek for 6 or 7 years.

If you look at it from the "Team/organization" perspective:

In the year Komisarek needs to be signed the contracts for Koivu (4.5M), Tanguay (5.35M), and Kovalev (4.5M) come due. So what are they going to demand on the market?; especially if they all have a good year. Now add in the RFA contracts for Plekanec (1.8M) and Higgins (1.9M) expire. What will they demand on the market or at arbitration?

There is also Begin, Chipchura and Latendresse as well. Start looking at each player individually and you will see the Salary Cap disappear very quickly. Komisarek has been in the league for 5 seasons and averaged less than 20 pts a season. I agree he is one of the few defencemen on the team who are physical. But now there is O'Byrne and in another year or two Valentenko; both of whom are physical defensive defencemen.

He may very well garner $6M from a team that lacks his qualities but Montreal cannot afford to pay out that much for him if they plan to retain the other players I have listed. Besides if I read the TSN article correctly Komisarek said he's not going to fret about it. He'll earn $1.9 million this season and is sure to more than double that when his turn comes. "It's out of my hands," the big defenceman said. "I don't think it will an issue or a distraction."

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2483...=headlines_nhl

Looks to me like he would be happy with $3.8M a year.

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know idear maybe with los angels or phoenix thy got big centers

i agree with you

kopitar or boyle or maybe a package deal with o,sullivan in it

and los angeles has cap room sign komi,if it,s with phoenix only player i see meuller but he not that big ,

i would see big pacage deal like komi,higgins pleckenec for sullivan,boyle kopitar


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