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02-23-2004, 07:16 PM
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After the ownership got settled, the Sabres said their goal was to make the playoffs this season, right? And at the 3/4 mark, they're very close. Their goaltending looks to be strong well into the future even without Ryan Miller. If they wanted to make a serious run at locking up the final playoff spot in the east, moving Miller or Biron looks like a good way to bring in some immediate help without destroying the team's future. So, my question is, what do the Sabres need most to strengthen their stretch drive, and what, if anything, from the Oilers do you think would fit their needs?
From Edmonton we would need Ryan Smyth or Jason Smith to help our playoff push.
Trading Biron right now would lessen our chance's at the playoff's.
Moving Miller would be the best move, however I am not for that.
So no goaltender's will probably moving at the deadline.

Here is an offer for the two above:

To Edm. Derek Roy,Maxim Afinegenov,and a 2nd round pick in 05'

To Buf. Ryan Smyth and Jason Smith

What's your thought's?

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02-23-2004, 07:23 PM
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Denis Gauthier is one of the most overated players on these boards IMO. He can't skate well at all, has no puck skills at all, makes stupid decisions in the offensive and defensive zones and still takes himself out of the play with his big hits, really all he can do is hit, he is a 5/6 th defenseman and to boot is overpayed for what he is actually worth.

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02-23-2004, 07:44 PM
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To Edm. Derek Roy,Maxim Afinegenov,and a 2nd round pick in 05'

To Buf. Ryan Smyth and Jason Smith
From the Oiler's perspective, no deal. I think that the Oilers could land more for those guys, and I can't see Smyth and Smith both being moved without a goalie coming back to Edmonton.

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02-23-2004, 07:54 PM
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I posted this proposed deal on the Oilers board – Tommy Salo and the first round pick in 04 the Oilers got from Philadelphia for Biron.

Salo would provide Buffalo a vet in goal until the end of the year – then you just decline his option and you’re free of him. The salary difference between Biron and Salo would pretty much pay Biron's salary until the end of the year.

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02-23-2004, 09:01 PM
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I posted this proposed deal on the Oilers board – Tommy Salo and the first round pick in 04 the Oilers got from Philadelphia for Biron.

Salo would provide Buffalo a vet in goal until the end of the year – then you just decline his option and you’re free of him. The salary difference between Biron and Salo would pretty much pay Biron's salary until the end of the year.
that looks pretty fair to me
but i'd rather see biron for smith straight up...

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02-23-2004, 10:15 PM
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that looks pretty fair to me
but i'd rather see biron for smith straight up...
Yeah but it depends on whether Salo has any trade value (doubtful) and what other teams are willing to give for Smith. Right now a hard-rock dman like Smith is probably more valuable than a goalie like Biron - but who knows what the market is anymore

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02-23-2004, 10:51 PM
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What would your team give up for Ryan Miller?
He is still young,however his number's in the AHL are dropping and in his two of three appearence's up un the NHL he was blownout. Although he didn't get much help from the defense in those two game's either.

Your thought's?
If you really want to move him I would offer Pavol Demitra, but would want more coming back my way.

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Los Angeles:Ryan Miller
Buffalo:Tim Gleason,Petr Kanko and Jared Aulin.
That's way too much from the Kings side.

Petr Kanko and a 1st and 5th is as high as I'd be willing to go.

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02-24-2004, 03:01 AM
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From Edmonton we would need Ryan Smyth or Jason Smith to help our playoff push.
Trading Biron right now would lessen our chance's at the playoff's.
Moving Miller would be the best move, however I am not for that.
So no goaltender's will probably moving at the deadline.

Here is an offer for the two above:

To Edm. Derek Roy,Maxim Afinegenov,and a 2nd round pick in 05'

To Buf. Ryan Smyth and Jason Smith

What's your thought's?
I wouldn't move Smyth alone for that package.. in fact, I wouldn't even think about it! I think a Smith + Rita + pick for Miller deal could benefit both teams. However, I don't think Gator is going anywhere at the trade deadline and there is almost no way I see Buffalo moving Miller..

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Really? I don't see Miller as too much more highly rated that Ahonen, and a Smith Ahonen deal has been tossed around not the past few weeks and is generally thought to be about right.

The Roy for Rita+ thing I can understand. I think Rita is likely going to be a 20-25 goal scorer. I thought that would replace the offense Buffalo lost with Roy.

But sure that deal sucks then cool I am very happy with JDD in our system, Miller was mostly insurance in case JDD didn't pan out, cause you can NEVER tell with goalie prospects. Not even Miller is a sure thing...
Jason Smith is a rental and worth no more than a 2nd rounder.

Rita can't crack the EDM lineup, which won't make the playoffs, and Roy is younger and has already stuck with the big club, positively contributing....

The offer made me laugh out loud, and few of these offers ever do that.

Ta,

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02-24-2004, 11:55 AM
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Ideas involving my two favourite teams:

TO TOR: Ryan Miller
TO BUF: Maxim Kondratiev and a 4th rounder


A Tellqvist/Miller tandum would be sweet in the future!


OR

TO CAL: Ryan Miller and Paul Gaustad
TO BUF: Denis Gauthier and some low pick

Kipper/Miller combo would be nice too!


More thoughts? Decently realistic or am I in left field?
Looks like Buffalo's defense needs to be and could get stronger.

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Please note I am not great with proposals
anyway, his our future, his had NO help in his 3 starts so i dont count this year as being a valid 1. until he plays and his team plays well. Vanek is untradable, btw, our only good offensive prospect. hell our only good prospect. apart from Roy and maybe Pomiville.

i would expect a 1st round pick + good prospect, Ballard sorta.

this is slight overpayment, but that's what i expect for one of the premier goalies in the AHL and the future of our team. Noronen has played ok, and will be a fine tandem with Miller until 1 outshine's the other.

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02-24-2004, 12:55 PM
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I'd love to see Brian Burke pick up a good goaltending prospect like Miller. Don't know what I'd offer though. More of a move that would be made in the off-season as opposed to the trade deadline.

That's scary man. I was thinking the exact same thing not too long ago. If Cloutier has another so-so post-season, I think this scenario comes into play so I agree, not a trade-deadline deal.

I didn't understand the Sabres off-season moves. Right now they are left with lacking two types of d-men, an offensive catalyst and a stay-at-home crease-clearer. They had Ballard/Warrener but felt they needed another smallish-forward
instead.

So one of those two needs have to be addressed with a trade of either Noronen/Miller (I'm assuming that Biron would net the least in a trade.)

To Buffalo: Brent Sopel, 1st-round pick

To Vancouver: Ryan Miller, Henrik Tallinder

Definitely not a move the Canucks would contemplate going into the playoffs.

The Sabres leverage their goaltending depth in an otherwise difficult market for teams shopping goaltenders to acquire one of the two d-men they need, a power-play producer with the heavy shot needed in today's NHL where the middle of the ice gets clogged up, frequently leaving the point as the only shooting option. Plus they get a 1st-round pick to build up the system.

Vancouver gets Miller plus a replacement of Sopel on the depth-charts, who is still young enough to further improve and upgrade his game. With horses like Jovo and Ohlund leading a deep blue-line, the Canucks can withstand the loss of Sopel.

Just a note on some other comments, why is everyone only referring to Miller's three NHL games this year? There was a nice little 15-game gig last year that would be a bit fairer in assessing his potential................

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Remember Miller was considered the top goaltending prospect in the league a year ago.
Except that was a very clueless assessment.

He is not anything special and you'll see several goalies pass him up. It's already happening, as I predicted.

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02-24-2004, 03:18 PM
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No kidding. It would likely take at least a 1st rounder or good prospect to land Miller. From Calgary, how about a package centered around Eric Nystrom?
Lose Phaneuf and then some if you want Miller

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Except that was a very clueless assessment.
Yeah? Explain.

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Except that was a very clueless assessment.

He is not anything special and you'll see several goalies pass him up. It's already happening, as I predicted.

I know you've been highly critical of Miller Vlad, but it's clear that beside you, there aren't too many people who aren't high on Miller. Granted, his NHL experience hasn't been all that positive, but he really hasn't had enough time to make a statement either way. It's also a fact that he has dominated every level up to that of the NHL, and until he gets the chance to do so, the jury's out IMO. As for other goalies passing him up, do you mean getting an extended chance to play at the NHL level? If so, you're right.

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But I guess a guy like Maxime Oullet is a better goalie prospect right?Ouellet is 1 year younger then Miller and has played.....................2 career games.

Ryan Miller may not be a future all-star but he is still a top 5 goalie prospect easily.

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Ryan Miller - Career NHL Statistics:

18 GP | 3.02 GAA | .886 SV%

While not particularly impressive, that is hardly grounds for condemnation.


And for purposes of comparison and prospect value:

Ryan Miller - Career Michigan St. (CCHA) Statistics:

106 GP | 1.54 GAA | .941 SV%

Ryan Miller - Career Rochester (AHL) Statistics:

88 GP | 2.32 GAA | .925 SV%

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Ryan Miller - Career NHL Statistics:

18 GP | 3.02 GAA | .886 SV%

While not particularly impressive, that is hardly grounds for condemnation.


And for purposes of comparison and prospect value:

Ryan Miller - Career Michigan St. (CCHA) Statistics:

106 GP | 1.54 GAA | .941 SV%

Ryan Miller - Career Rochester (AHL) Statistics:

88 GP | 2.32 GAA | .925 SV%

Is this Millers first or second year at Rochester? Either way, those are awesome stats.

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yeah, I should come up with a counteroffer, but I don't think the Sabs are gonna dump Miller, and especially not for these deals.

We won't have anything left if we give up Miller and Vanek...
ouch.
How about Jason Smith, Jani Rita and philly's 1st for Ryan Miller and Afinoganov

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From Edmonton we would need Ryan Smyth or Jason Smith to help our playoff push.
Trading Biron right now would lessen our chance's at the playoff's.
Moving Miller would be the best move, however I am not for that.
So no goaltender's will probably moving at the deadline.

Here is an offer for the two above:

To Edm. Derek Roy,Maxim Afinegenov,and a 2nd round pick in 05'

To Buf. Ryan Smyth and Jason Smith

What's your thought's?
OMG your offfer is horrid. It doesn't even included the player the oil need most in any deal they make right now. I would counter with this.


Miller Khalinin and Afinoganov

for

Smyth, smith and 2nd

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Ryan Miller - Career NHL Statistics:

18 GP | 3.02 GAA | .886 SV%

While not particularly impressive, that is hardly grounds for condemnation.


And for purposes of comparison and prospect value:

Ryan Miller - Career Michigan St. (CCHA) Statistics:

106 GP | 1.54 GAA | .941 SV%

Ryan Miller - Career Rochester (AHL) Statistics:

88 GP | 2.32 GAA | .925 SV%

Miller's NHL stats look eerily similar to Dipietro's when he was thrown in the fire. Look at Dipietro now, with some seasoning in the minors, and a real shot to stick in the NHL. BIG differance.

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OMG your offfer is horrid. It doesn't even included the player the oil need most in any deal they make right now. I would counter with this.


Miller Khalinin and Afinoganov

for

Smyth, smith and 2nd

Not a chance.

Miller, Afinogenov > Smyth, 2nd (some may think differently)

Kalinin > Smith (No question IMO)

Kalinin isn't going anywhere, his value to Buffalo is greater than his value around the league...(not sure why that is given his talent, young age, and experience)

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OMG your offfer is horrid. It doesn't even included the player the oil need most in any deal they make right now. I would counter with this.


Miller Khalinin and Afinoganov

for

Smyth, smith and 2nd

Kalinin is going nowhere.Your Proposal would be perfect if you take out Kalinin though. Dimitri is the future #1 D-man on our team.

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I agree with you. No way Buffalo moves Kalinin. He'll be a top-pairing stud and his "real value" comes nowhere near his trade value right now. A keeper for sure.

But are you suggesting Chayos remove Kalinin from his proposal and make what you deem a "perfect" deal:

Smyth, Smith, 2nd ----- for ----- Miller, Afinogenov

** I really hope you meant take out Kalinin and add another "stud of the future" that has less value or is redundant to the Sabres. If not...

Smyth is going no where right now. Buffalo would have to give up a hell of a lot more than Kalinin to get him...Forget it!! Utter nonsense!!

A more realistic proposal:

Smith, Horcoff, Philly's 3rd 05 ----- for ----- Noronen/ Biron, Afinogenov

** If Buffalo intends to move one of their snipers (Kotalik/ Afinogenov), they'd be better off moving Kotalik. GMs are not going to pay full value for Afinogenov until he returns to his old form and plays a couple seasons of concussion-free hockey. Right now he's worth Horcoff and a 3rd to Edmonton

-or-

Biron/ Noronen ----- for ----- Philly's 1st 04


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