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09-03-2008, 10:11 PM
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OT: Bisons-Indians Affiliation Finished - Let's Go Mets!

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/429602.html
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What’s been assumed all season became official Tuesday as the Cleveland Indians informed Major League Baseball they are terminating their Triple-A working agreement with the Buffalo Bisons after 14 years.
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The Indians are expected to move their Triple-A operation for next season to new Huntington Park in Columbus, Ohio. The Bisons, meanwhile, are expected to sign with either Toronto or the New York Mets.
Can't blame the Indians for wanting to have their AAA team closer, but I'll delighted if the Bisons affiliate with the Jays or Mets.

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I hope it's the Mets. That'd be awesome.

My wife is a HUGE Mets fan, grew up on Long Island. Since I didn't have any strong loyalties to any MLB team, she converted me to a Mets fan.

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I hope it's the Mets. That'd be awesome.

My wife is a HUGE Mets fan, grew up on Long Island. Since I didn't have any strong loyalties to any MLB team, she converted me to a Mets fan.
I've been a Mets fan for longer than I care to admit. Let's just say I'm still mad they traded Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi. I could never get interested in the Indians or the Pirates, their former parent club. Maybe they'd show more Mets games here too instead of those damn Yankees! The Jays would make good financial sense and they're the only team I follow besides the Mets. After 3 straight years of missing the playoffs, I'm sick of Cleveland.

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I know Cleveland wanted to set up in Columbus so that they could fill programming on their Ohio Sports TV station that would attract Ohio viewers, so it makes financial sense on that front, too.

Where are the Mets and Blue Jays current AAA teams?

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Jays AAA team is currently Syracuse. And I believe the Mets AAA team is down in New Orleans

Jays/Bison's makes a lot of sense. We're sharing a football team, there are rumblings abour pre season Raptors games in Buffalo, we might as well continue the trend.

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The Jays would be terrible. They've put miserable teams in Syracuse for years. I think 1998 was the last time they made the playoffs.

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The Jays would be terrible. They've put miserable teams in Syracuse for years. I think 1998 was the last time they made the playoffs.
It looks like the Mets are leaning towards Syracuse and the Bisons are leaning towards the Jays.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...nd_buffal.html
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The Cleveland Indians recently severed their ties with the Buffalo Bisons, and sources say Buffalo is leaning toward signing with the Blue Jays.
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In their 31-year partnership with Toronto, the Chiefs have had 23 losing seasons and only five playoff appearances without winning an International League championship.

Chiefs' board members have said that the Mets, who have a better track record of fielding winning teams in Triple-A, are their top choice as a replacement for the Blue Jays.
The Washington Nationals are also seeking an affiliate. We'll have an empty ballpark of the Jays don't provide a decent team. I can't believe Syracuse tolerated them for so long.

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As a closet Jays fan, I'm not keen on them having their affiliate here. They're not interested in fielding winning AAA teams -- hell, they don't seem all that capable of fielding a winning ML team either, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

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The Washington Nationals are also seeking an affiliate. We'll have an empty ballpark of the Jays don't provide a decent team. I can't believe Syracuse tolerated them for so long.
I'm not a big baseball guy, but as a Syracuse resident I'm elated to be rid of the Jays. Hoping the Mets land here in Syracuse since I'm a Mets fan.

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I think geographically, the Mets-Syracuse and Jays-Buffalo combinations make the most sense. Both markets could best capitalize on the additional fan base for the parent club. That being said, I hope for the Bisons sake they don't get Toronto. Although it could be worse, the Nationals.

I live in DC and would admire the DC-Buffalo connection like myself, but I fear this would not be healthy for the Bisons organization. The Nationals are deperate for good young talent and chose not to sign their top pick from this years draft.

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As a closet Jays fan, I'm not keen on them having their affiliate here. They're not interested in fielding winning AAA teams -- hell, they don't seem all that capable of fielding a winning ML team either, so it shouldn't be a surprise.
They've had winning records the past few seasons a trend that will certainly continue.. Unfortunately in baseball only 4 teams make the playoffs so obviously its very difficult to make them. Not to mention the Jays are stuck in the toughest division in baseball, and that's before Tampa Bay became a good team like they have this season.

As for AAA, the Jays have a few good prospects coming up through the pipeline. They're definitely in better shape than they were in past years and they'll continue to be. Also for what it's worth the Sky Chiefs (Jays AAA) have a better record than both the Bisons and the Zephyrs (Mets AAA).

Things currently aren't as bad as you make them seem for the Jays in the MLB or in AAA.

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My brother my dad and I are all big Red Sox fans but i've always supported my hometown teams and I've always considered the Indians our ML home team and I paid close attention to the Bisons throughout the years and watched players like Sizemore, Peralta, Martinez, Cabrera, Francisco, and Marte just to name a few come up the Bisons organization and really blossom into the major league players they are today. Those players that came threw here converted me not totally but I now support the Sox and Indians now and its sad to see these two great partners seperate after so many years and the Cleveland Indians organization did a superb job with their AAA affiliate for all those years. I just hope who ever ends up with the Bisons as their affliate does as good as a job the Indians did with us although we haven't been to the playoffs in a few years its mainly due to the fact that all the aforementioned players moved up to Cleveland and put a winning product on the field.

On a little side note Cliff Lee, now the Tribes ace after the CC Sabathia trade, is now 20-2 and most likely on his way to an AL Cy Young award was sent down to the Bisons late last season I watched the guy pitch and was amazed at his stuff even though he was facing minor leaguers its still amazing at what a year makes.


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there are a few obstacles in the way. you didn't hear any of this from me, but although the mets are clearly the preferred team to work with, they want to get partial ownership of the team and rich is NOT keen on that at all. but the office doesn't want to get with the blue jays because the team would be nowhere near as good as it has been with cleveland.

also, the indians pulled out because the state is giving them a ton of money to bring their AAA team to columbus, and they are building or already built a brand new stadium for them there. i believe they are also going to get more revenue from concessions or something if they relocate there. basically the indians weren't looking to leave buffalo but the state of ohio made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

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As a closet Jays fan, I'm not keen on them having their affiliate here. They're not interested in fielding winning AAA teams -- hell, they don't seem all that capable of fielding a winning ML team either, so it shouldn't be a surprise.
7 games above .500, third consecutive winning season. Give the Jays some respect.

And one thing you all should know. JP Ricciardi who is the GM of the Jays has been notorious for bad drafting and minor league dealing, and it's very likely he'll be fired in the off season, or at least within the year.

And in the past two weeks the Jays traded for two minor league pitchers, so there is still hope.

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7 games above .500, third consecutive winning season. Give the Jays some respect.

And one thing you all should know. JP Ricciardi who is the GM of the Jays has been notorious for bad drafting and minor league dealing, and it's very likely he'll be fired in the off season, or at least within the year.

And in the past two weeks the Jays traded for two minor league pitchers, so there is still hope.
Most important number -- 9. That's the number of games the Jays are behind the Red Sox for the wildcard. Last year it was 11. The year prior... 8.

Yep, third year where JP can't close the deal and make up for team deficiancies to push them into the playoffs. The years he's had bats, he's had no arms. Now that they're getting the pitching, they can't hit. Meh. For being a supposed draft-n-develop wunderkind when he was brought in, there's damn little to show for it. Having just enough wins to keep Ted's investment partially full and on Ted TV, err Sportsnet... good for Ted. '94 killed me regarding baseball and I've never really been back -- they have to show me their interested in actually making the post-season for the first time in 14 years before they're going to get more than a cursory glance or insomnia-induced research.

As for the Jays... the only powerhouse they've ever had in the minors was the AA team in Knoxville. And that was a Gillick thing, more than anyone else.

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Most important number -- 9. That's the number of games the Jays are behind the Red Sox for the wildcard. Last year it was 11. The year prior... 8.

Yep, third year where JP can't close the deal and make up for team deficiancies to push them into the playoffs. The years he's had bats, he's had no arms. Now that they're getting the pitching, they can't hit. Meh. For being a supposed draft-n-develop wunderkind when he was brought in, there's damn little to show for it. Having just enough wins to keep Ted's investment partially full and on Ted TV, err Sportsnet... good for Ted. '94 killed me regarding baseball and I've never really been back -- they have to show me their interested in actually making the post-season for the first time in 14 years before they're going to get more than a cursory glance or insomnia-induced research.

As for the Jays... the only powerhouse they've ever had in the minors was the AA team in Knoxville. And that was a Gillick thing, more than anyone else.
The AA team is in Manchester(the owner actually owns the Lowell franchise as well) and has been for a few years

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Right - the last time they consistently had a good minor pro franchise was over 15 years ago. That was my point.

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I hope it's the Mets. That'd be awesome.

My wife is a HUGE Mets fan, grew up on Long Island. Since I didn't have any strong loyalties to any MLB team, she converted me to a Mets fan.
gaf is a big Mets fan as well. So is my brother. So that would be pretty cool.

I'm a minor Jays fan (inasmuch as I don't really follow baseball all that closely anymore), so I guess either way one of us will be happy.

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Looks like it'll be the Mets!
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The Mets are leaving New Orleans and the New York Daily News is reporting they expect to sign a deal with the Bisons later this week that will be announced in a news conference here next Monday. Sources confirm to The Buffalo News the Mets are the Bisons' top choice although the team denied that Monday.
Sounds like the Mets won't chose the Chiefs unless there's a change in the ownership/management situation.

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Looks like it'll be the Mets!
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Sounds like the Mets won't chose the Chiefs unless there's a change in the ownership/management situation.
Not a Mets fan (even if I had a Mets hat when I was 8), but a much better affiliation choice than the Jays.

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Not a Mets fan (even if I had a Mets hat when I was 8), but a much better affiliation choice than the Jays.


Awwww.


Jays would have been sweet.

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Awwww.


Jays would have been sweet.
Why? So that the regulars who come to Bisons' games would see a crappy product all season? Or for those odd few GTA Jay fans would make the trip to see them? The suck-i-ness of the day-to-day product would not make up for the occassional Hogtown trekker.

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Sounds like the Mets won't chose the Chiefs unless there's a change in the ownership/management situation.
Things in Syracuse are generally messed up for sports teams if they don't belong to the University. The county legislature won't approve funds for new scoreboards (desperately needed) for the ball park, nor for the Crunch at the war memorial.

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TGI-not-the-Blue-Jays.

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Agreed. I'm not a Mets fan so lets hope Santana has to make rehab starts in Buffalo next year!!!

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