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09-04-2008, 12:54 PM
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Vancouver's dilemma

Well this year is a make or break year for the Canucks. They have Ohlund, and both Sedins becoming UFA's at the end of the season and Luongo will be going into his last year of his contract next season. The market price for the Sedins will likely be in the $6.0-7.0 million per year range each and Ohlund is likely worth in the $5-6 million per year. They also have to keep space for Luongo who will likely cost somewhere in the $7-8 million dollar range.

that breaks down to $24-28 million for just 4 players.

The Canucks have a chance to be a playoff team( smaller than some would think imo), but come trade deadline time if they are not in the running I would say they will need to look at trading either the Sedins or Ohlund. I think they may also possibley move Ohlund for the scoring forward they need to get rid of this issue. Either way it look likely that there are a few top end players on the Vancounver roster that will be available this year.

My suggestion would be to move both Sedins and Ohlund to contenders at the tade deadline for a wealth of prospects and picks and make the run for Tavares or Hedman.

My question to you is what would your team offer for the rights of Ohlund or the Sedins now or at the trade deadline?

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I'm really surprised that a poster with that many posts would post a thread like this before the season even starts.

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Ohlund has a NTC, Sedins would be near impossible to move because they would have to go to the same team and what team has 12-14 mil in cap space for 2 top 6 forwards if they weren't looking for just rentals but were interested in re-signing them? Also we couldn't make a run at a high pick for Tavares or Hedmen because Luongo would keep us good enough to not fall that far.

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I'm really surprised that a poster with that many posts would post a thread like this before the season even starts.
I can't understand why anyone thinks intelligence level is based on post count.

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... The Vancouver Canucks are not going to be tanking the season. I would actually expect them to be in the playoffs before Edmonton/Chicago and all the other new fad teams out this year.

The Sedins are expected to ask for around 5.5 each, which is only about 3.5 combined over their current salary.
Ohlund took a hometown discount last time, I assume he will do so again.
Luongo, actually all goalies, will not be making 7-8 Million dollars.

The only player on that team who should be moved, because they are overpaid and not very good, is Kevin "HFBoards most overrated player" Bieksa.

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... The Vancouver Canucks are not going to be tanking the season. I would actually expect them to be in the playoffs before Edmonton/Chicago and all the other new fad teams out this year.

The Sedins are expected to ask for around 5.5 each, which is only about 3.5 combined over their current salary.
Ohlund took a hometown discount last time, I assume he will do so again.
Luongo, actually all goalies, will not be making 7-8 Million dollars.

The only player on that team who should be moved, because they are overpaid and not very good, is Kevin "HFBoards most overrated player" Bieksa.
The Sedins can, and almost certainly will, secure deals at well over 6 million per season. They're PPG two-way forwards with a history of production in a year devoid of front line talent. Bet the over

As for Ohlund, you're probably right, he's a lifer. 4 million a year and he's a Canuck.


As for Luongo, 7 million a season is perfectly reasonable and a team like Ottawa would almost certainly pay it to solve their goal tending woes.

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Ohlund has a NTC, Sedins would be near impossible to move because they would have to go to the same team and what team has 12-14 mil in cap space for 2 top 6 forwards if they weren't looking for just rentals but were interested in re-signing them? Also we couldn't make a run at a high pick for Tavares or Hedmen because Luongo would keep us good enough to not fall that far.
Unless they have NTCs, no they don't. They have to go to wherever Gillis trades them to, together or seperate.

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If the twins want to play together for their whole careers, then they'll have to take a discount. That's just the way it works. But if they were to be traded, it'll be both of them together for one superstar in return. Say... Sedins for Kovalchuk. If they were traded to seperate teams, then both teams would lose out, as they'd just sign together again as free agents.

Because of his vision problems and lack of turnaround speed, Ohlund isn't worth that money. So if he doesn't take a hometown discount, he'll be testing free agency. I suppose the Rangers could be knocking on the door there if they gave that crazy money to Redden. But how many past-their-prime defensemen do they need? As it were, I can see Ohlund staying on as a Canuck until retirement. Unlike Naslund, he's not going to be ripped for showing a total lack of effort.

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Sedins will always play together. They will just have to take a paycut. Will they leave Van? I don't think so.

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Well this year is a make or break year for the Canucks. They have Ohlund, and both Sedins becoming UFA's at the end of the season and Luongo will be going into his last year of his contract next season. The market price for the Sedins will likely be in the $6.0-7.0 million per year range each and Ohlund is likely worth in the $5-6 million per year. They also have to keep space for Luongo who will likely cost somewhere in the $7-8 million dollar range.

that breaks down to $24-28 million for just 4 players.

The Canucks have a chance to be a playoff team( smaller than some would think imo), but come trade deadline time if they are not in the running I would say they will need to look at trading either the Sedins or Ohlund. I think they may also possibley move Ohlund for the scoring forward they need to get rid of this issue. Either way it look likely that there are a few top end players on the Vancounver roster that will be available this year.

My suggestion would be to move both Sedins and Ohlund to contenders at the tade deadline for a wealth of prospects and picks and make the run for Tavares or Hedman.

My question to you is what would your team offer for the rights of Ohlund or the Sedins now or at the trade deadline?
There is so much wrong with this post...

A) It's pretty well known that the Sedins are likely going to get about 5.5mill/each per year because they will likely take a discount to stay in Vancouver. They both love it here, and they both want to keep their families here.

B) Ohlund will NOT get 7 mill per season as he's entering the later years of his career. His production is not what it was 4-5 years ago and defensively he's slowed down a bit. Don't get me wrong, he's still a great dman, but he's not going to get 6-7 mill a year. He will also take a discount and has said many times he intends to stay a canuck.

C) Even if we traded both the Sedins AND Ohlund at the trade deadline, we would not be in the running for the top 2 picks. No way we finish in the bottom 6 in the league even without those three players for the last couple of months of the regular season. Why? The Luongo factor.

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The Sedins can, and almost certainly will, secure deals at well over 6 million per season. They're PPG two-way forwards with a history of production in a year devoid of front line talent. Bet the over
Rumor is that they asked Gillis for 5.5 each.

Ohlund will be a Canuck. The reason he had a NTC is b/c his son is reeving some special medical treatment here in Vancouver.

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Unless they have NTCs, no they don't. They have to go to wherever Gillis trades them to, together or seperate.
Yeah all I'm basically saying is he would try to package them together, I'm not talking about their wishes, I'm talking about the wishes of the teams interested, who is going to want them separate ??

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... The Vancouver Canucks are not going to be tanking the season. I would actually expect them to be in the playoffs before Edmonton/Chicago and all the other new fad teams out this year.
LOL
Edmonton and Chicago have made significant moves to improve and have some of the league's brightest up-and-comers, while Vancouver just lost a huge chunk of offense, and added what, Demitra? Edmonton finished higher than the 'nucks last year and will only get better this coming season.

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Edmonton and Chicago have made significant moves to improve and have some of the league's brightest up-and-comers, while Vancouver just lost a huge chunk of offense, and added what, Demitra? Edmonton finished higher than the 'nucks last year and will only get better this coming season.
All im going to say is

We will see.

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Yeah all I'm basically saying is he would try to package them together, I'm not talking about their wishes, I'm talking about the wishes of the teams interested, who is going to want them separate ??
Plenty of GMs. Maybe it would reduce their individual values slightly but not to the point where Gillis wouldn't be able to move them for a reasonable return. It's not like one is completely lost without the other, I'd have to think.

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I'm really surprised that a poster with that many posts would post a thread like this before the season even starts.

How do you figure teams decide what to do in situations like this? Do they wait and figure everything will be all right and then at the last minute blow it all up? Teams have to project what they are going to be able to do 3-5 years in advance and your questioning why I would post speculation for this coming season? Its a fact Vancouver has huge roster holes and will be facing serious cap issues as early as next season so I would say this speculation is warrented.

As for how many posts I have made, why would that matter? It doesn't change that the Canucks face a huge problem this season.

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Edmonton and Chicago have made significant moves to improve and have some of the league's brightest up-and-comers, while Vancouver just lost a huge chunk of offense, and added what, Demitra? Edmonton finished higher than the 'nucks last year and will only get better this coming season.
hahaha...what chunk of offense did we lose? Naslund's 25 goals or Morrison's 10?

Combined we lost 80 points...we got back 86 points. How exactly did we lose anything?

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Edmonton and Chicago have made significant moves to improve and have some of the league's brightest up-and-comers, while Vancouver just lost a huge chunk of offense, and added what, Demitra? Edmonton finished higher than the 'nucks last year and will only get better this coming season.
By huge chunk of offense, do you mean the 80 points that Naslund and Morrison had between them that have been replaced by the 77 points that Demitra and Bernier scored last season?

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Farhan Lalji reported that they were looking for deals at $5.5 million a few months ago and J.P. Barry said on the radio a few weeks ago that he sees Shawn Horcoff's contract ($5.5 million) as a comparable.

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I can't understand why anyone thinks intelligence level is based on post count.
seriously.

I have only like 200 posts but I think I only have half of a brain.

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... The Vancouver Canucks are not going to be tanking the season. I would actually expect them to be in the playoffs before Edmonton/Chicago and all the other new fad teams out this year.

The Sedins are expected to ask for around 5.5 each, which is only about 3.5 combined over their current salary.
Ohlund took a hometown discount last time, I assume he will do so again.
Luongo, actually all goalies, will not be making 7-8 Million dollars.

The only player on that team who should be moved, because they are overpaid and not very good, is Kevin "HFBoards most overrated player" Bieksa.
Vancouver is easily the worst team in the Northwest, they were last year and they didn't get any better in the offseason.

I agree that they probably won't be in the running for the top picks as there are more worse off teams but Vancouver needs some offensive help. If Sundin doesn't come through for them, they may have to make a couple of moves to try and get some more help. Right now they are a one line team with an exceptional goalie. That only goes so far.

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Rumor is that they asked Gillis for 5.5 each.

Ohlund will be a Canuck. The reason he had a NTC is b/c his son is reeving some special medical treatment here in Vancouver.
Ugh. His son has one leg which is shorter than the other. He gets one or two treatments a year and he's been using the same doctor here in BC. His NTC has absolutely nothing to do with this, there are numerous specialists throughout NA that do this and he can always fly here once or twice a year if he wanted to keep the same one.

Stop factoring this into discussions of Ohlund.

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And this is why signing Sundin for $20 million for 2 years would screw the Canucks for next year. They should hope they dont get Sundin and sign some guys like Parrish, Murray to 1 year deals.

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Vancouver is easily the worst team in the Northwest, they were last year and they didn't get any better in the offseason.

I agree that they probably won't be in the running for the top picks as there are more worse off teams but Vancouver needs some offensive help. If Sundin doesn't come through for them, they may have to make a couple of moves to try and get some more help. Right now they are a one line team with an exceptional goalie. That only goes so far.
Oilers have suspect defense and goaltending, Flames got slower and have more question marks up front, Minnesota hasn't significantly upgraded anywhere while Colorado has friggen Budaj and Raycroft in net.

If Vancouver truly is the worst team in the NW, it's a matter of centimeters, not kilometers.

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And this is why signing Sundin for $20 million for 2 years would screw the Canucks for next year. They should hope they dont get Sundin and sign some guys like Parrish, Murray to 1 year deals.
At this point I'm guessing that if Sundin signs it'll be for one year (and Gillis has confirmed he could have either one year or two). He's having a hard enough time deciding on the upcoming season that I can't see him making an obligation beyond this season.

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Ugh. His son has one leg which is shorter than the other. He gets one or two treatments a year and he's been using the same doctor here in BC. His NTC has absolutely nothing to do with this, there are numerous specialists throughout NA that do this and he can always fly here once or twice a year if he wanted to keep the same one.

Stop factoring this into discussions of Ohlund.
He had publically stated that this was one of the reasons why he wanted to play in Vancouver.

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