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09-10-2008, 05:54 AM
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Is Winchester a Gunner?

For all those who thought Winchester would get a chance to crack the top six, Hartsburg has confirmed this speculation in today's Citizen.

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Beginning today, with the opening of Ottawa Senators rookie camp, Winchester will be put in a position to play a top role with the National Hockey League team.
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"For me, (Winchester) is a guy we are going to give a great opportunity to play with really good players right from the start," Hartsburg said yesterday. "From what I've seen at the prospect camp and last week (playing shinny), and from talking to some of the scouts in the past week, he's not like an 18 or 19-year-old kid just coming out of junior. He has worked extremely hard, he's smart and we're going to give him a chance right away to contribute."
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Winchester isn't getting ahead of himself. He simply wants to impress as much as possible, beginning with rookie camp, trying to leave a positive impression in the minds of Hartsburg and Murray.

"I've had a few conversations with them, but I just want to make the most of whatever opportunity they give me," Winchester said before taking part in one last pick-up game yesterday. "I'm not really focusing on (where I might play). I'm just focusing on doing all the things I can do. That other stuff is up to the coaching staff and management. The way I look at it right now, I feel like I'm starting over. I feel like it's a fresh start for me."
Senators to find out if Winchester's a gunner

Heatley/Spezza/Winchester is looking like a real possibility.

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09-10-2008, 06:12 AM
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Cool, it looks like this could be a steal of a signing for Ottawa if he can breakout and have a good year.

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Alfie
Heatley
Spezza
Fisher
Vermette
Winchester

I say Heatley needs to carry his own line . He plays with an edge if he has big , strong linemates . Fisher is known for this , Winchester may surprise a lot of people but he is tough and can dig in the corners

Vermette is supposed to become a 60 points player ,playing with Spezz and Alfie gives you that

The bottom 6 includes Kelly and Rutuu as our main weapons . Foligno is set there and can work his way up in the lineup
The rest will have to battle hard for the last 3 spots

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09-10-2008, 06:28 AM
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Good news

Can't wait to see him play!

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09-10-2008, 06:31 AM
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Winchester on the top 6 will make for a long season.

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09-10-2008, 06:38 AM
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Couldn't really be any worse than robitaille.

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Couldn't really be any worse than robitaille.
This is true. He was better in Colgate than Robosuck.

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Winchester on the top 6 will make for a long season.
Last time I checked, the longer the season the better! Winchester will get us to the Finals you guys!

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this seems like the organization taunting foligno to pick it up, take that spot.

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this seems like the organization taunting foligno to pick it up, take that spot.
I'm not sure I agree with this statement. I think the only reason Winchester may get the spot ahead of Foligo is age. While both will be "rookies", Winchester is much older and probably will be able to handle the pressure of top line duties.

Starting a young Foligno out on a 3rd line with Kelly/Ruutu wouldn't be a bad idea. For me, that is probably best for his development.

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09-10-2008, 08:21 AM
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Now, now, let's not get too excited over Winchester here yet, we haven't even seen what he's fully capable of yet. Bochenski looked really great for awhile too, let's see how Winchester is doing come December or January, and if he truly has earned a spot.

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I'm not sure I agree with this statement. I think the only reason Winchester may get the spot ahead of Foligo is age. While both will be "rookies", Winchester is much older and probably will be able to handle the pressure of top line duties.

Starting a young Foligno out on a 3rd line with Kelly/Ruutu wouldn't be a bad idea. For me, that is probably best for his development.
Possibly. I do think that Foligno, playing with Kelly and either Ruutu/Neil would make for a fine 3rd line.

However, I'm not sure that Winchester's age means he can better handle the pressure. Foligno is the son of a well-known former NHL player, who looked great in the OHL, was a first-round pick of a Canadian team (where hockey is really the only game in town), and won a forward spot on that NHL roster for more than half of his first season out of junior. Granted his offense didn't really show up consistently as a rookie, but I don't think I question his ability to handle pressure. The only possible issue with Foligno (for me) would be the brief regression that you often see with young sophomore players who aren't ready to take the next step just yet.

Winchester is an undrafted late bloomer (played in the CJHL but never OHL) with 3 good seasons of NCAA hockey at Colgate under his belt. He's older and likely more mature, but does that mean he can handle the pressure of playing in Ottawa's top-6? Top-9 might be a different story.

But of course, I've never even seen him play!

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this seems like the organization taunting foligno to pick it up, take that spot.
I think it is more aimed at Zubov and Nikulin to step up and win the spot

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I think it is more aimed at Zubov and Nikulin to step up and win the spot
They are both definitely not capable of that at this point, Nikulin is obviously closer, but will require a little more fine tuning. And Zubov is still a couple years away from becoming adept at the North American game.

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Winchester on the top 6 will make for a long season.
No kidding, if he is as skilled as Robitaille I will be very surprised.

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Now, now, let's not get too excited over Winchester here yet, we haven't even seen what he's fully capable of yet. Bochenski looked really great for awhile too, let's see how Winchester is doing come December or January, and if he truly has earned a spot.
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Dark horse Calder, wasnt that Don Cherry's prediction for Bo?

Winchester is definitely the most intriguing possibility to take the annual Sens Training Camp Surprise award. Do we have any hf-sens board scouts attending the tourney and bringing us recaps?

Perhaps the real question isnt whether he can come in and contribute in the top 6 or 9, but whether we should spend the time developing him for there this year. My first impression of him was that he and foligno could be competing for a similar role too, not that both couldnt stick either.

anxiously awaiting reports ...

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They are both definitely not capable of that at this point, Nikulin is obviously closer, but will require a little more fine tuning. And Zubov is still a couple years away from becoming adept at the North American game.
Anything can happen over a summer. Zubov has been training in Ottawa for a few months, maybe he's bulked up? And besides, these guys have more talent than Winchester, so to say they're not capable is just incorrect.

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"We need some young energy in our top nine forwards," Hartsburg said. "They have to go in there and do a job for us. We're going to give (Winchester), and obviously Foligno, a chance to contribute right away through camp. It's kind of up to them, once you put them there and give them a chance to play with an Alfredsson and a Fisher or whoever. If there's some chemistry there, then we'll see."
That's the quote I liked the most.

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09-10-2008, 10:11 AM
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Told you

So here is my expected lineup

Heatley - Spezza - Alfredsson
Vermette - Fisher - Winchester (Next Dustin Penner/Chris Kunitz )
Foligno - Kelly - Shannon
Ruutu - Bass - Neil
XXXX - McAmmond - Donovan

Phillips - Lee
Kuba - Picard
Volchenkov - Smith

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Told you

So here is my expected lineup

Heatley - Spezza - Alfredsson
Vermette - Fisher - Winchester (Next Dustin Penner/Chris Kunitz )
Foligno - Kelly - Shannon
Ruutu - Bass - Neil
XXXX - McAmmond - Donovan

Phillips - Lee
Kuba - Picard
Volchenkov - Smith

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I think Zubov would be a better option then Shannon, and having Rutuu and Neil on the 4th playing only 5 minutes a game is almost criminal.

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I think Zubov would be a better option then Shannon, and having Rutuu and Neil on the 4th playing only 5 minutes a game is almost criminal.
I could see Neil dropping to the 4th line if he doesn't pick his game up.

I'd like to see a 4th line that can play 8-9 minutes a game, barring intense special teams involvement.

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Heatley is certainly able to carry his own line..

He probably would not hit 50 Goals, but would still get 100 points. Carrying his own line I think he would get 40 Goals and 60 Assists.

When Heatley does not have a center like Spezza,whom he ALWAYS has to pay attention to when Spezza has the puck because Spezza can make unpredictable passes (even to his linemates). I believe this causes Heatley to look Lazy, at least at Even strength he lies in wait instead of running around hitting like Alfredsson does no matter who his linemates are..

Heatley's play is influenced dramatically by who his line mates are, this is why whenever it seems the teams fate rests on his shoulders (Spezza/Fisher etc get hurt) he always seems to step up his game.. Its because we see him with new linemates..

This is one of the reasons why I think Heatley is a brilliant hockey player is because he could have Chemistry with just about anyone (even Chris Kelly). You cannot say this for almost every hockey player.

The one game we saw Heatley with Stillman and Vermette is the best I saw him play in last years playoffs.

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Winchester (Next Dustin Penner/Chris Kunitz )
I know (hope) this was a joke, but dont go saying these things before you even see the guy play. And if it wasnt a joke, prepare to be disappointed.

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Told you

So here is my expected lineup

Heatley - Spezza - Alfredsson
Vermette - Fisher - Winchester (Next Dustin Penner/Chris Kunitz )
Foligno - Kelly - Shannon
Ruutu - Bass - Neil
XXXX - McAmmond - Donovan

Phillips - Lee
Kuba - Picard
Volchenkov - Smith

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Ahhhhh Poor Schubert lol

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