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09-12-2008, 11:37 AM
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Wait, why are we defending the Leafs from their senile GM...?

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Wait, why are we defending the Leafs from their senile GM...?
We went through the same thing with Houle?

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Wait, why are we defending the Leafs from their senile GM...?


Well even though I hate the Leafs, I would take Antropov, Kaberle, Hagman and Stralman anytime with my team.



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I don't think Antropov would even be a top 6 forward in Montreal, nobody is moving Tanguay, Higgins,Kovalev and A.Kost as our top 4 wingers anytime soon
He plays center.

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Well even though I hate the Leafs, I would take Antropov, Kaberle, Hagman and Stralman anytime with my team.


I'd take Antropov, Kaberle and Stralman anytime too... but Hagman ?

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He plays center.

Maybe he can play center, but he hasn't been for the Leafs (very much, anyway).

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I'd take Antropov, Kaberle and Stralman anytime too... but Hagman ?



Hagman = Perfect 3rd liner.


Has speed, some scoring touch, awesome on the PK, plays a gritty game and more importantly, accept his role as a 3rd liner.



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Wait, why are we defending the Leafs from their senile GM...?
He's not senile, he's rebuilding, getting rid of awful contracts that were there before. He's doing a pretty good job of it too. They'll probably get a Top 5 pick next year, Top 10 for sure. That's a franchise player. Add some young talent they actually have, with lots of cap space and he's on the right track.

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09-12-2008, 12:03 PM
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Hagman = Perfect 3rd liner.


Has speed, some scoring touch, awesome on the PK, plays a gritty game and more importantly, accept his role as a 3rd liner.


Well, here he'd have to play 4th line then, cause our 3rd line ain't a checking line anymore...

And concerning that quote by Fletcher, well, truth can't be more blunt...

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He's not senile, he's rebuilding, getting rid of awful contracts that were there before. He's doing a pretty good job of it too. They'll probably get a Top 5 pick next year, Top 10 for sure. That's a franchise player. Add some young talent they actually have, with lots of cap space and he's on the right track.


actually just the top 1-2 picks are, usually in "average" quality drafts. whether they'll have one of those 2 is unknown...oh btw, even with tavares THIS YEAR they wouldnt make the playoffs..

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actually just the top 1-2 picks are, usually in "average" quality drafts. whether they'll have one of those 2 is unknown...oh btw, even with tavares THIS YEAR they wouldnt make the playoffs..
How about reading more on this year's draft instead of laughing like you know something. The Top 5 picks are franchise players, and Top 10 are more than likely all first liners. We're talking about a draft better than 2003 or 2005.

And I didn't say they will make the playoffs, but they are on the right track to being competitive again in the future. Rebuilding takes longer than one year.

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Are you kidding ?! Did you ever seen him play ? 6'6 center that have nice hands, good shots arsenal and can outplay defencemen with his size ?!? Not a top 6 ?!

Antropov >>>> Higgins
Antropov > Andrei Kostitsyn
Antropov > Sergei Kostitsyn


Yes, he would be a top 6 easilly in IMO.



I know it's "your thing" to hate Higgins, but Antropov is not THAT much better than him. Chris had 27 goals and 25 assists and was 24 years old last year. Antropov had 26 goals and 30 assists and was 28 years old. Not only that but Chris can stay healthy whereas Nik has a hard time doing so.


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09-12-2008, 12:35 PM
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Are you kidding ?! Did you ever seen him play ? 6'6 center that have nice hands, good shots arsenal and can outplay defencemen with his size ?!? Not a top 6 ?!

Antropov >>>> Higgins
Antropov > Andrei Kostitsyn
Antropov > Sergei Kostitsyn


Yes, he would be a top 6 easilly in IMO.



I actually like Antropov, but he wouldn't be a top 6 in Montreal and I'm not a superfan or anything.

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I think the most important quote was that they don't see Tavares and Hedman as generational talents. Leafs scouting is actually pretty decent.

As far as coming out and saying he only has 1 top 6 forward heading into the season, can this not be considered deliberate tanking?

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09-12-2008, 12:44 PM
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I don't think you know Toronto fans very well. There will be some who will realistically support a rebuild, but many in Toronto won't and are/will be pissed if they miss the playoffs for a 4th year in a row.

Also, I think we all might want to get off our high horse a little bit when it comes to the Leafs. While Montreal right now appears to be the better positioned of the 2 now and in the future, the Leafs have been much more successful than us since our last cup.
Agreed but i'm not on my horses, i'm just saying that it's easier to tank in Toronto than in Montreal, because of history. I would like to see Montreal without it's 24 Stanley cups, would we be so much into our team?

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Are you kidding ?! Did you ever seen him play ? 6'6 center that have nice hands, good shots arsenal and can outplay defencemen with his size ?!? Not a top 6 ?!

Antropov >>>> Higgins
Antropov > Andrei Kostitsyn
Antropov > Sergei Kostitsyn


Yes, he would be a top 6 easilly in IMO.




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09-12-2008, 01:19 PM
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How about reading more on this year's draft instead of laughing like you know something. The Top 5 picks are franchise players, and Top 10 are more than likely all first liners. We're talking about a draft better than 2003 or 2005.

And I didn't say they will make the playoffs, but they are on the right track to being competitive again in the future. Rebuilding takes longer than one year.


I just cant have another opinion than you...Im just an idiot or uinformed..?! for me "franchise player" means a lot.

anyway, so if the top 5 are so-called "franchise" player, that will mean that they will all play in the nhl next year. cant wait

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How about reading more on this year's draft instead of laughing like you know something. The Top 5 picks are franchise players, and Top 10 are more than likely all first liners. We're talking about a draft better than 2003 or 2005.

And I didn't say they will make the playoffs, but they are on the right track to being competitive again in the future. Rebuilding takes longer than one year.
Would this be the draft that everyone was dreaming of back in March, hoping to trade for a top 20 pick in order to pick up a 1st line forward?

Now all of a sudden Tavares and Hedman may not be all they're cracked up to be, there's only 5 superstars and after the top 10 the talent thins out.

2009 is starting to sound more and more like an average draft and nowhere near as good as 2003.

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Antropov >>>> Higgins
Antropov > Andrei Kostitsyn
When did Antropov become Mats Sundin??

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I just cant have another opinion than you...Im just an idiot or uinformed..?! for me "franchise player" means a lot.

anyway, so if the top 5 are so-called "franchise" player, that will mean that they will all play in the nhl next year. cant wait
You will see the Top 5 in the NHL the year after, book that. Hedman and Tavares are locks. Jared Cowen has the size already, he will be there. Schenn and possibly Duchene. It's not far-fetched, clearly the Top 5 teams need help right away.

Look at this year's draft, it's not as good, but Stamkos and Doughty will be playing. Bogosian and Pietrangelo have contracts. I don't see what's so funny.

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"The bottom line is, we have only one top six forward ... and that's (Nik) Antropov," said Fletcher.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/..._acc_upgrades/

BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....NIK ANTROPOV A TOP 6 FORWARD!!!!!!! Only in Toronto!!!!

Thank god I am not a Leafs fan....their future truly looks bleak.

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When did Antropov become Mats Sundin??
thats exactly what i was thinking.

this guy is 27 years old and has had one NHL season with more than 50 points.

certainly has less trade value than Higgins or one of the Kostitsyns and is a poor skater.

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and still is their 5th point getter by the end of the season.
hahahha, nice.

Man, we're a pretty pathetic team this year. Blake is okay, but everyone else, even Antropov with his injury history, is essentially a question mark. I'd say our sure top-six guys are Blake, Antro and Steen, but Antro could go out at any time if he coughs too hard and shatters his knees.

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He plays center.
Good. But who cares.. he's not better at centre than Plekanec or Koivu.






Plekanec > Antropov
Koivu > Antropov
Kovalev > Antropov
Tanguay > Antropov
A Kostitsyn > Antropov

At best.. he could be on the 2nd line. But he would be fghting with Higgins and S Kostitsyn.. and there are good chances they might beat him out.

So he's probably not top 6 material.

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