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09-14-2008, 10:27 AM
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53 assists for Tanguay as a LW?
That should definitely be close to the NHL leaders as Paul Kariya led all left wingers with 49 assists last year and Martin St-Louis led the right wingers with a total of 58 assists. But it's possible.

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09-14-2008, 10:30 AM
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Lineup I think we'll finish the year with
Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev
Tanguay - Koivu - Kostitsyn
Higgins - Lang - Latendresse
Begin - Chipchura - Lapierre
Laraque

Komisarek - Markov
Hamrlik - Schneider (traded from LA to us for Bouillon, prospect and high pick)
O'Byrne - Gorges
Brisebois

Price
Halak
Denis
I doubt the Plekanec line will stay intact by April. Lines always get hot and cold in this day and age, and with such a(seemingly) inter-changeable group of forwards I expect to see a few changes here and there.

I really feel the Kostitsyns will be on the same line by the end of the year though, and are likely to stay together.

Also, isn't Bouillon a UFA next summer?

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09-14-2008, 10:31 AM
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FIrst I would set my wingers. Yes, I know that Latendresse played some RW in Junior, but I wouldn't dare try him there in the NHL. He's a power forward not a skilled come from the off-wing type forward.

Our two best right wingers are Kovalev and AKost. Our two clearly left wingers are Higgins and Latendresse.

That leaves Tanguay and SKost, one to play LW and one RW. Given that Tanguay played most of his career at LW, I would leave him there. SKost can continue to play the right side.

Now, who are the finishers and who are the playmakers?
Finishers: Kovy, AKost, Plekanec, Latendresse, Higgins
Playmakers: Koivu, Tanguay, Kovy, SKost, Lang

Who is fast and who is slow?
Fast: Pleks, Higgins, Tanguay
Medium: AKost, SKost, Kovy, Lang
Slower: Koivu, Latendresse

Get the two slowest players on different lines, and make sure there is a finisher on each line.

Plekanec-Kovalev-Tanguay
Koivu-AKost-Higgins
Lang-SKost-Latendresse

I know this breaks up the top line from last year, but replacing Andrei with a top flight LW in his own right is not a problem, and anyway Andrei has greater responsibilities awaiting him as he becomes the go-to guy on the second line.

The third line has two big bodies to complement Sergei. The C and RW are already defensively responsible, while the LW is improving in that aspect of the game.

As for fourth line, I would have Chipchura center it for at least 40 games. He has to become NHL ready to take over when Lang's contract ends. Chips could also play LW when Begin is unable to or needs a rest. Lapierre could alternate at CENTER, while Laraque and Kostopoulos would get time on the right side.

There is no room for Dandenault.
Uniting Lang with Latendresse, the two slowest forwards, would put a lot of defensive pressure on the other wing on their line. It would even be slower than the line of Higgins-Ribeiro-Ryder that played together for a few games, in which Higgins had to hang back in the offensive zone.

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09-14-2008, 10:37 AM
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53 assists for Tanguay as a LW?
He had 59 in 06/07.

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Who is fast and who is slow?
Fast: Pleks, Higgins, Tanguay
Medium: AKost, SKost, Kovy, Lang
Slower: Koivu, Latendresse

Get the two slowest players on different lines, and make sure there is a finisher on each line.
I don't think that's accurate. In terms of skating, Kovalev is on par with Saku while Lang and Latendresse are slower still. By saying you want to keep the slowest away from each other, you wouldn't put Lang with Latendresse.

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I don't think that's accurate. In terms of skating, Kovalev is on par with Saku while Lang and Latendresse are slower still. By saying you want to keep the slowest away from each other, you wouldn't put Lang with Latendresse.
Kovalev may seem slow at times but his skating strides are powerfull. Once he gets into gear not many people can catch up to him, you'll notice he rarely loses races to the puck. He's the best technical skater on the team imo.

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09-14-2008, 11:12 AM
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Kovalev may seem slow at times but his skating strides are powerfull. Once he gets into gear not many people can catch up to him, you'll notice he rarely loses races to the puck. He's the best technical skater on the team imo.
Kovalev must be the best technical skater in the hole league, after that i think that Andrei Kostitsyn is a beautiful skater to watch

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Im not the most excited about lang but im sure he will start the year on the 3rd line and fill in on the top 2 lines for injury's etc. I was hoping to get someone faster, tougher and younger if we didn't land Sundin but Lang it is and my guess is we start with.

Pleks with A. Kost and Kovalev

Koivu with Tanguay and Lats

Lang with Higgins and S. Kost

Chipchura with Laps and Laraque

with Begin, Kosto Dandy fighting it out.

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09-14-2008, 11:18 AM
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Kovalev may seem slow at times but his skating strides are powerfull. Once he gets into gear not many people can catch up to him, you'll notice he rarely loses races to the puck. He's the best technical skater on the team imo.
It's not that I think Kovalev is slow so much as I think Koivu is faster than people remember.

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09-14-2008, 11:34 AM
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Before last year, I'd have called Koivu fast as well. But last year he just became really slower. He's faster than Lang/Latendresse, but still slower than Kovy. IMO.

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09-14-2008, 11:38 AM
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i think that lang and ak should be put together and see what happens

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Before last year, I'd have called Koivu fast as well. But last year he just became really slower. He's faster than Lang/Latendresse, but still slower than Kovy. IMO.
Koivu has got darting speed in that he can go short distances fast but doesn't have the outright breakaway speed like he use to.

Kovalev has above average speed but tends to slow the game down so you rarely see it.

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09-14-2008, 11:44 AM
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I would do it like this:

Higgins - Lang - Kovalev
Tanguay - Koivu - A. Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Plekanec - S. Kostitsyn
Lapierre - Sundin - Laraque

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09-14-2008, 12:01 PM
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Tanguay - Koivu - S.Kost
A.Kost - Plekanec - Kovalev
Higgins - Lang - Latendresse
Bégin - Lapierre - Laraque
Kostopoulos

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09-14-2008, 12:12 PM
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Tanguay - Koivu - S.Kost
A.Kost - Plekanec - Kovalev
Higgins - Lang - Latendresse
Bégin - Lapierre - Laraque
Kostopoulos
Insisting on keeping AKost on the LW forces the coach to play a guy at RW that is not very comfortable there, whether it be Gui or Tanguay.

I would prefer to see AKost cut his teeth on eventually taking over from Kovy as our #1 offensive threat by playing his natural RW position.

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09-14-2008, 12:21 PM
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He had 59 in 06/07.
Different teams, different times.

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Koivu has got darting speed in that he can go short distances fast but doesn't have the outright breakaway speed like he use to.

Kovalev has above average speed but tends to slow the game down so you rarely see it.

I agree with you about Koivu. He gets to the puck pretty quickly and is able to handle his share of the forechecking. I also have the same outlook on Kovalev.


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09-14-2008, 12:31 PM
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Tanguay - Koivu - S.Kost
A.Kost - Plekanec - Kovalev
Higgins - Lang - Latendresse
Bégin - Lapierre - Laraque
Kostopoulos
3 play makers on the same line = no good!

My lines:

Higgins - Koivu - Latendresse
Tanguay - Lang - Kovalev
S. Kost - Plekanec - A. Kost
Laraque - Begin - Kostopoulos

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09-14-2008, 12:33 PM
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With the time, different lines will be tested, of course you can't disband the kovalev line yet but there will come a time where it will be required and im looking forward to see the result of those line one day.


Higgins - Lang - Kovalev
A. Kost - Plecky - S. Kost
Latendresse - Koivu - Tanguay
Begin - Lapierre - Laraque

or

A. Kost - Lang - Kovalev
Higgins - Plecky - S. Kost
Latendresse - Koivu - Tanguay
Begin - Lapierre - Laraque

Im sure carbo will try Lang and Kovalev together during the training camp. Somehow, i just see Tanguay with Koivu because i believe Koivu had alot of trouble last year but he came back in the playoff. I just don't know what to expect from him yet, i want to give him all the chance to bounce back from a bad year.


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i don't have seen Tanguay a lot , so i would like to know what kind of player is he ? Kovalev likes to keep the puck and to carry it into the offensive zone ; is his game can be completed by the one of Tangay or does Tangay also likes to control the puck ?

Thanks !

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Tanguay-Plekanec-Kovalev
Higgins-Koivu-A.Kostitsyn
S.Kostitsyn-Lang-Latendresse
Laraque-Chipchura-Kostopoulos

Extras: Lapierre/Begin

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-O'Byrne
Bouillon-Gorges

Extra: Brisebois

Price
Halak

Book it.

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i don't have seen Tanguay a lot , so i would like to know what kind of player is he ? Kovalev likes to keep the puck and to carry it into the offensive zone ; is his game can be completed by the one of Tangay or does Tangay also likes to control the puck ?

Thanks !
I've always felt Tang is the type that is quite adaptable. And he's best when he's the 2nd best player on a line.

I think he would work well with either of Koivu or kovalev.



And in fact.. I think those three might be reunited in end of game power play situations when we need a goal. (possibly with AK'syn as a sniper)

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Tanguay - Plekanec - Kovalev
S. Kostitsyn - Koivu - A. Kostitsyn
Higgins - Lang - Latendresse
Laraque - Chipchura - Kostopoulos

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - O'Byrne
Bouillon - Gorges

Price
Halak

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Koivu has got darting speed in that he can go short distances fast but doesn't have the outright breakaway speed like he use to.

Kovalev has above average speed but tends to slow the game down so you rarely see it.
Its all about acceleration and weigh. Koivu is a small 180 lbs guy, of course he seems faster than 220 lbs Kovalev, needing much less force to get going.

If Kovalev and Latendresse become quicker, losing some weight and having Tanguay instead of Ryder we should have even faster team we had last year.

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What made the A.K - Plekanec - Kovalev line so unsuccessful was that they dominated 5 on 5 play witch when they did not score they created some power play opportunity's. So until they slow I would not touch this line at all. This being said you can always use the lang-kovalev duo during the power play. Both streit and ryder are out of the picture leaving some power play minutes on the table. We all ready know how good kovalev can be on the power play. Now imagine lang rediscovering his Pits burg touch with kovalev.

5 on 5

A.K- Plekanec- Kovalev
Higgins-Koivu - Tanguay
S.K-Lang-Lantendresse
Lapierre-Begin-Laraque
Chipchura

power play

A.K-Plekanec-Lang
Markov-Kovalev

pp2

Higgins-koivu-tanguay
hamerlik-S.K.

There so much we can do with the depth we have.

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Just for fun I used the "best Lines" function in NHL 09 abd these are the lines they gave me. (I put dandy on waviers and he was picked up )

Tanguay-Pleks-Kovy
S.Kost-Koivu-A.Kost
Higgy-Lang-Lats
Kosto-Laps-Laraque
ex. Begin

Markov-Komi
Hammer-O'Byrne
Cude-Gorges
ex. Brezzer

Price
Halak

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